Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

OK, so here's my analysis.

For my imaginary worker, I'll take an AP at the very beginning of their scale, and they will remain at the beginning of their scale for the entirety of this exercise (so increments don't inflate the change in pay based on each increase). I have also chosen an AP because they will get the percentage based increases, rather than the fixed figure where larger than the percentage increase (i.e. the increases which give a larger increase proportionally to lower paid public sector workers).

So, at the beginning of 2024, prior to this proposed deal, our fictional AP worker would have earned €75,822 per year. To begin with, we have to see what they would have earned in total in 2023. In 2023, there were 2 increases: 2% on 01/03/2023 and 1.5% on 01/10/2023. From this, we can work out that their pay prior to 01/10/2023 would have been €74701.48 (75822 / 1.015). We can then work out that their pay before 01/03/2023 would have been €73236.75 (74701.48 / 1.02). So, what can we glean from this? Well, in January and February, they would have earned €6103.06 (73236.75 / 12) per month. From March to September, they would have earned €6225.12 (74701.48 / 12) per month. And then from October to December, they would have earned €6318.50 (75822.50 / 12) per month. So 2 months (Jan + Feb) * 6103.06 + 7 months (Mar to Sep) * 6225.12 + 3 months (Oct to Dec) * 6318.50 is their total earnings for 2023. This totals €74737.46 for 2023.

Now that we have 2023's gross earnings, we can start working on 2024 onwards.

Assuming no pay deal whatsoever, our AP would have earned €75822 in 2024. This would be an increase of 1.45% ((75822 - 74737.46)/74737.46 * 100) over 2023, with no increase during 2024, all as a result of the staggered increase in 2023.

But what about when we factor in the proposed deal?

So from 01/01/2024, there will be a 2.25% increase, which will result in annual salary increasing to €77528. Then on 01/01/2024 there will be a 1% increase, to €78303.28 (77528 * 1.01). And finally on 01/10/2024, there will be another 1% increase to €79086.31 (78303.28 * 1.01). So for 5 months (Jan to May), our AP will earn €6460.66 (77528 / 12) per month. For 4 months, our AP will earn €6525.27 (78303.28 / 12) per month. And for 3 months, our AP will earn €6590.53 (79086.31 / 12) per month. This means their total pay will be €78175.97 (6460.66 * 5 + 6525.27*4 + 6590.53*3). This equates to increased gross earnings in 2024 of 4.6% ((78175.97 - 74737.46) / 74737.46 * 100) compared to 2023.

I need to pop out now, but if I get a bit of time later I'll come back and run the figures for 2025 and 2026 (and perhaps 2027, as the increases in 2026 will flow into 2027).

Getting mixed messages. I've been told by some that it's not for everyone. Maybe someone can clarify does it apply to all sectors and public servants.

A general round increase isn't on the cards. It's specifically not allowed by the agreement. All public sector workers will be put into bargaining groups, like last time. Unions can use the pot for their group to solve claims. For example, the INMO and SIPTU both resolved something specific last time rather than giving general round increases.

Jesus, you can brush aside increments. The are one of the reasons the employers gets away with underpayment in the first place, are agreed at the start of the employment, and a MAJOR reason that we can't attract staff. No matter their experience, in the private sector, they start at the bottom. This is often far far below what their experience deserves or what's available elsewhere, without having to wait 10 years to still be paid less

My inlaws were telling me, no matter what I said, that I was getting a 12.5% payrise and, once I showed, them the actual figures they still were claiming a 10+% payrise. Couldn't comprehend it's staggered nature means that I won't see that raise for years, and that it's less than inflation will probably be

And how would you describe yourself? Misogynistic male middle management no doubt.

Increments are temporary and part of the joining remuneration.

It's a way to actually NOT pay people what the job is worth, for a decade.