Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

1. Children and young people are supposed to play with identity. This is the current playground. Most recently before this, it was 'phobias' on MySpace. Before that, emo, goth, punk, dandy boy... The phenomenon is old as time.
2. If you denigrate "straight" in culture, immature minds will attempt to fit into that culture. They usually grow out of it. How many fifty-something goths do you know?
3. The over-proliferation of girls and young women who exclusively date boys and men cutting their hair and calling themselves nonbinary makes "LGBTQIA+" all but meaningless.

Just going back to quote the post that was in reply to:

So, it's trans people were talking about

So are you saying it's transphobic to say "Thomas, who was a moderate swimmer in the male category before transitioning, has now recruited the Canadian law firm Tyr to take a case to the court of arbitration for sport in Switzerland"?

If it wasn't that quote, then what exactly in that article makes you say it is transphobic please?

NEWSFLASH: More Americans than every before identify as an acronym.

misremembering that, they change religious services more often, ie. which church they go to - or use online:

Which pretty much anywhere is not a hard fear to imagine eg. local university town

Whereas the cellphone industry is divied up into a near oligopoly with 2 or 3 major carriers only, eg. Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile, while the number of just christian denominations is dominated by 3 large groups but 200+ are recognized overall with many independent/rural churches.

misremembering that, they change religious services more often, ie. which church they go to - or use online

Reminds me of Lady Gaga’s response to President Bush on the day of her Super Bowl performance, after he reminded her that his father’s Church is not the same as the Catholic Church - “All I needed was Jesus that day” 😂

@4:30 -

Can’t help but admire her, and Taylor Swift:

https://churchleaders.com/news/450290-christian-taylor-swift-political-tennessee.html

I don't think they're doing the survey by hair color, let's not be daft

Struck a nerve, have I?

It still baffles me that, even IF the Guardian published something that could be seen or considered "transphobic", that someone could be so offended simply by an opinion.

The general trend is that if you read something about this topic, and you disagree with it, it is transphobic. In other words, people run and hide over having any proper dialog.

You are referencing one writer, that hardly makes an entire newspaper "transphobic", does it? Actually, maybe to you it does.

I don’t think you’ve struck a nerve at all, it’s just being pointed out that The Guardian regularly publishes content that is transphobic. Rather than engaging in proper dialog, you run and hide behind the sneery ‘Struck a nerve, have I?’ There’s more than one writer who writes for The Guardian is transphobic, they even have their own little group:

The online gathering of the newly formed ‘Sex Equality Group’, which lasted an hour, and which I have seen in full, featured no trans people. During the Q&A session towards the end, the first question asked if the panel should have included a trans or non-binary journalist. It failed to mention that no trans or non-binary journalist will work for The Guardian due to the transphobia in its offices and pages.

Pratley read the question and provided the answer, taking no input from others, saying, “I think the answer to that is this is not BBC Question Time and this event is not the Dialogue Project. I don’t think anyone should be greatly surprised that the first event from the Sex Equality Group comprises members of the Sex Equality Group.”

https://transwrites.world/guardian-writers-and-editor-set-up-group-to-make-guardian-more-transphobic/?noamp=available

Cracking example of ‘proper dialog’ there 😏

But as this discussion is related to sports, and because Sean Ingle IS the chief sports writer and columnist for The Guardian, then one only has to examine his record (not going to assume the man writes transphobic content on the basis of a single piece of evidence that may well be taken out of context), so in reflection on his record, he has written more articles about transgender athletes and transgender policies in sports, than articles he’s ever written about women in sports!

I don’t expect you to take my word for it, but I did check, and while checking I did come across this article he wrote for the Irish Times, not the Guardian, because I really wanted to be fair, and in it he is none too complimentary of corporate interests in women’s sports and Seb Coe in particular comes in for scathing criticism, for IAAF (as it was in 2019) decisions which Ingle disagrees with:

But it is not just at Nike where athletes’ voices are not being heard by the powerful. It is all across the sport. Hours before Cain spoke out, athletics’ governing body announced that it was removing (or restricting) the 200m, steeplechase, triple jump and a number of other events from its prestigious 2020 Diamond League schedule – which would also be reduced from two hours to 90 minutes.

The reason, according to IAAF president Seb Coe is to make a “faster-paced, more exciting global league that will be the showcase for our sport”.

I have not found a single current athlete who agrees with the decision, which was reached after online research in China, France, South Africa and the US; post-event surveys in Belgium, Britain and Switzerland; and click-throughs on Diamond League social media videos during 2019.

You could drive a Usain Bolt-sized hole through that methodology.

https://archive.ph/z6e6T

But when the same organisation and the same President of the organisation develops a policy which agrees with Ingle’s already held view, oh then it’s science! And we all know you can’t argue with science! 🧐

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/jan/23/world-athletics-transgender-regulations-see-scientific-rigour-give-way-to-a-fudge

I’d say that’s pretty fcuking convenient 😒

The thing I note about the likes of Helen Joyce is there is no Helen Joyce equivalent on the opposition. I.e. someone who is able to match Joyce intellectually. There was an attempt to debate her on her level but turned out to be a farce.

Oh come on man, that’s like pointing out there’s nobody can match Gemma O’ Doherty intellectually - the question is why would anyone bother? it only legitimises Joyce’s nonsense. And truly it is nonsense, as pointed out in a review of both her book and Kathleen Stocks book, contrasting and comparing the two, in the Guardian, of course 😁

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/18/trans-by-helen-joyce-material-girls-by-kathleen-stock-reviews

Totes not transphobic drivel though 🤨

To bring it back on topic. Anyone have anything to say in defense of men (who identify as anything other than a man) competing in women's sports?

Oh great, another long post of trying to sound smart and informed...nothing new there.

You have only posted about someone else's opinions, that is all they are. You just resort to calling them "transphobic" because...well because you can't really argue with what they are saying, can you? You just attack the author, not what they are saying.

You bring in Gemma O'Doherty, yeah she is relevant to this discussion.

Here is a tip, if you read someones opinion, and you really believe it is nonsense (as you call it), just ignore it. Their right to free speech is your right to ignoring them. See how that works?

You've convinced me.

Now, because of my commitment to Free Speech, I wont criticize someone for thinking whatever they'd like. I agree with everything anyone says now, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff.

Wait how come Helen gets her free speech to say what she wants but I'm supposed to ignore it if I disagree. Seems a bit hypocritical?

Saying that sex, not gender, is the more important characteristic is not transphobic.

That’s as subjective as your restaurant example. In law they’re treated as characteristics for the purposes of equality and protection from discrimination. Sports organisations don’t actually get to make up their own laws.

It’s not legalising doping either, there are numerous drugs which are prohibited, and for which a therapeutic use exemption is permitted. That doesn’t constitute legalised doping.

Most of them don’t jump in the rankings at all, but you don’t hear about them, precisely because they don’t jump in the rankings. They’re obviously still competing with women in sports and have been doing so for years.

I never said you were to ignore it. I said it was a choice to ignore it, one which you have not chosen.

You reverted to just calling it "transphobic" because you simply disagreed with it. That is hardly engaging in any kind of discourse, you are throwing your toys out of the pram.

You said it was "objectively true" that the Guardians views and articles were transphobic, you also called a particular journalist a "professional transphobe", again that is childish. Referencing another as her "crony", seems very engaging. And to top it all off you call them "bigots" simply because they have a different opinion to yours.

Call me a hypocrite all you want (or try to at least), I am not the one reverting to insults or branding journalists because I disagree with them.