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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The RNC reportedly had a plan to pass a resolution naming Trump as the presumptive nominee but Trump asked it, in a wise legal move, not to pass it. The RNC resolution would have interrupted the ongoing GOP caucus being held in the different states and would have denied the party voters the ability to choose the candidate of their own choice.

    I reckon, if the RNC had gone ahead with its planned motion, it would have ended up in the courts with Haley [and maybe the different GOP parties still to hold their caucus] as complainant/s and the RNC as defendants [with Trump as a named party] causing him problems not of his making. It seems Trump either saw the obvious danger to his election or decided to accept his lawyers advice in this case.

    Edit: There is a precedent for such an RNC move. Reince Priebus, the RNC chair in 2016 did it for Trump back then. Priebus went on to become Trump's White House Chief of Staff before losing that job in 2017.

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Trump has to pay Ms Carroll $83.3m. That is going to sting.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Presumably it'll be appealed to reduced amount



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,104 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Presumably Trump won't keep his mouth shut and he'll be back in court for further awards against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    ahh, surely the fuckers goose is cooked with the moderates

    Nicky Haley may of played her cards very well



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Of course, this case is a result of Trump further libelling the victim, hence the punitive damages.

    The appeal might result in the doubling of the punitive damages of $65 million to $130 million.

    I am surprised he was not instructed to pay over an amount of $10 million immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    You don't win any sort of primary with her favorability numbers within your party especially GOP nomination in 2024.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    On what basis? His terrible lawyers have also left him limited approach to appeal. An appeal is not a re-trial, and they would have to show that the court erred in law somehow. Which, given his lawyers do not appear to know much law, will be difficult.

    Supposedly he must deposit the entire aware in escrow in order to appeal anyway.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The punitive damages are essentially an attempt to inflict sufficient financial pain on him that he finally learns to STFU and stop defaming her.

    Given that he STILL hasn't stopped calling her a liar even after they hit him for 65 Million in punitive costs an appeal is only going to increase it.

    His clown car of lawyers f*cked him six ways from Sunday and have left him with virtually no angle for appeal. And the judge didn't rise to the constant baiting so they can't claim judicial overreach and look for a mistrial which was clearly what they were trying to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This really is the perfect case to take him down as he will never learn to shut his mouth, especially when its a woman telling him to, and that is what is costing him every time now. On paper e jean could easily be worth a quarter of a million before the end of the year due to his inabilty to shut his mouth and do what hes told. I say on paper because he is going to drag out paying her for as long as possible and thats even if he can manage it as we all know his total and liquid worth is far lower than he likes to claim



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Without taking any else's character, the only people who seems to be gaining from the ongoing court actions are a group of practiced persons supposedly working and representing one client who, in his turn, claims to be acting on behalf of disenfranchised US voters, unless those practitioners are not charging their client fees and are representing him pro bono. If they are being paid by their client out of his own pocket and not other funds, it's a nice earner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There's an entry on a Facebook page which posted that an Illinois judge has ruled that Trump participated in an insurrection and incited the insurrection. According to the entry, the judge supposedly found that Trump is disqualified under section 3 of the 14th amendment. I went looking for confirmation of the 34 minute-old entry and found this on the CNN politics page.

    Former President Donald Trump engaged in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol but should stay on the ballot in Illinois, a retired judge told the state election board, which is set to vote Tuesday on his recommendation.

    Retired state judge Clark Erickson — a Republican — issued the recommendation after presiding Friday over an evidentiary hearing at which lawyers from both sides clashed over whether Trump is disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”

    In his written recommendation to the Illinois State Board of Elections, Erickson concluded that the board doesn’t have the authority to vet candidates based on federal constitutional considerations. Therefore, he recommended that the board dismiss the case against Trump.

    However, he also said that if the panel believes it does have the statutory authority to review Trump’s eligibility under the 14th Amendment, then they should remove Trump from the ballot because he “engaged in insurrection” in connection with the January 6 attack.

    The Illinois State Board of Elections, which will vote on whether to accept Erickson’s recommendation, is a bipartisan panel with four Democrats and four Republicans. Their decision can be appealed in Illinois state courts — and Erickson concluded that some of these key questions “belong in the courts,” instead of the election board.

    Regarding the events of January 6, Erickson concluded that the former president led “an elaborate plan” to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and later tried to give himself cover by halfheartedly calling for peace.

    Other online pages, like Chicago Sun-Times, included most of the judges ruling in their reports on the breaking news. The judge was sitting as an Illinois election board hearings officer when he made the ruling, according to the Chicago Sun-Times report.

    As to whether this will have any effect on the GOP is still to be known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    It should definitely be in the courts. The let the people decide point is complete nonsense. You could just as easily say that the people should be able to decide that Obama should be able to be president again or that they should have their say on Arnold Schwarzenegger. Neither of them can run due to various rules around the presidency and Trump breaks a different one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,977 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    In potentially good news for him, it looks like there may be trouble for Fani Willis in the Georgia case.

    Article in the FT so would be pay walled but in essence, it appears she had an undisclosed relationship with an outside DA which they hired to help with the prosecution as there I allegations that some of the money that was being paid to him was being used for holidays and trips with Willis.

    It doesn't change the facts or evidence of the case, but it could see her removed, which could see the case thrown out or delayed long enough to play into Trumps hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It looks like it will run through the Illinois state court system first, thought Trump's legal team presumably would like to attach it to the case they have asked the USSC to rule on on the 8th Feb and get a block across the boards. Illinois state supreme court has a 5-2 Democrat/GOP split on its judicial membership. It seems local citizens have raised legal objections to Trump running on the state ballot papers in 18 separate states. One thing I haven't been able to find out is whom represented Trump at the Illinois board of electors hearing Judge Erikson sat on as adjudicator, as in was it the same team in NYC or was it constitutional & state law specialists?

    Edit: When it comes to a "let the people decide" soft option, apparently the Illinois State supreme court has ruled sometime in the past that the Illinois Board of Electors is the body fit to decide on issues involving ballots in the first place. If that is correct and the board decides to follow with a decision against Trump on at least a 5/3 decision, it would mean that at least one GOP member voted that Trump WAS and IS an insurrectionist.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Fani Willis hit back several days ago putting the blame for the allegations on the wife of the other DA, as the couple were in the process of divorce. Claims were made then that Fani Willis and the husband of the other woman had gone on foreign trips at the same time not at his expense.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Legally speaking it doesn't look like there is anything there at this stage.

    It will be very hard for Trump to try and take the moral high-ground on this one but of course he will try to play the "Moral outrage" card about a woman in a relationship with a married (but separated) man.

    The GOP will row in behind the Criminal Fraud & Rapist and try to tell the world that Willis is clearly an untrusty harlot and should not be allowed to try a case against their God-King.

    It's all just so pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,977 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Georgia GOP are already talking about talking about setting up a special senate committee to look into allegations of misuse of public funds



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh I'm sure they will , but thus far there's no indication of anything illegal.

    Poor optics to some extent , but nothing illegal.

    At this stage what we have is "He was paid money for work he did and then went on holiday with Fani Willis" , poor optics but not "misuse of funds".

    Won't stop the GOP shouting from the roof-top and selectively leaking information to twist the story however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm watching how Trump is trying to use the dispute between Gov Abbott of Texas and the Feds at the border involving the Texas Nat Gd and Federal officers to his advantage. There's a peculiarity about the dispute as the USSC ruled that the Border patrol can take down razor wire erected on Abbott's order. The USSC had vacated a lower court order stopping the Feds from removing the razor wire. It doesn't mean [yet] that Abbott is in defiance of the USSC, just that he arguing against the supremacy of federal law over state law where the wire is involved by impeding the Feds from removing the wire. There have been direct clashes between Texan and Border Patrol officers in respect to immigrants crossing the river border between Mexico and the US. Trump doesn't give a fig for the immigrants and anyone involved down there.

    Trump wants to link the row with a difference of opinion between the Senate GOP members over a deal linking funding for the Govt and immigration. Mitch McConnell is pro a deal with the Admin while the GOP hardliners want to block it. Naturally any setback for the Admin will be broadcast by Trump as a sign of Admin weakness and he doesn't like McConnell anyway.

    Speaking of that deal, Senator James Lankford [R] Oklahoma has just been on the Beeb news saying the deal is on. Sen Lankford does not seem to like Trump: https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8e2965bb1f7c642aJmltdHM9MTcwNjQ4NjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wYjkyYjAwZC1mOGE4LTY4ZDktMzIxOC1hM2I3ZjllNTY5YzMmaW5zaWQ9NTU3MA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=0b92b00d-f8a8-68d9-3218-a3b7f9e569c3&psq=Senatro+Lankford&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdyZXB1YmxpYy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS8xNzg1MzAvZ29wLXNlbmF0b3ItamFtZXMtbGFua2ZvcmQtdHJ1bXAtbWFnYS1ib3JkZXItc2NhbQ&ntb=1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Illinois State Board of Electors has voted unanimously to leave Trump on the state ballot papers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution for alleged crimes he committed during his presidency to reverse the 2020 election results, a federal appeals court said Tuesday.

    The ruling is a major blow to Trump’s key defense thus far in the federal election subversion case brought against him by special counsel Jack Smith. The former president had argued that the conduct Smith charged him over was part of his official duties as president and therefore shield him from criminal liability.

    “For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution,” the court wrote.

    The ruling from the three-judge panel was unanimous. The three-judge panel who issued the ruling Tuesday includes two judges, J. Michelle Childs and Florence Pan, who were appointed by Joe Biden and one, Karen LeCraft Henderson, who was appointed by George H.W. Bush.

    To no surprise to anyone... Supreme court here we come to find out if the president of USA is completely immune to any prosecution outside of impeachment.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Fox news doing their best to deflect.

    The piece on the website from "Fox & Friends" is something else.

    ~4 Minute clip under the heading of "Trump Immunity ruling in" has about 20 seconds about the DC ruling saying "The judges appear skeptical about whether Trump has immunity" , which is an interesting way to describe a unanimous ruling saying that he absolutely doesn't.

    And then they scream "SQUIRRELL!!!!!! and switch to the "massive bombshell news"..... about Fani Willis having a relationship in Georgia and they bring in an analyst to talk about that but not another Word about Trumps catastrophic loss in his one and only defence from all the charges in DC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Can the supreme court be stacked with your own appointees and then absolve you

    Will be a very interesting test of the US judicial system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭Wossack


    it’s a sad indictment of the justice system in the us, when reporting on any of these issues, the articles seem to always mention who appointed the individual judges



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Getting closer, it seems, to the end of the 3 separate branches of US Govt. The MAGA party reducing the GOP in the legislative body to their level, settling the membership of the judiciary and nobbling the executive, all orchestrated by one person. It's a sad state of affairs that he has reduced the USA to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I've been musing about the chance that the USSC might decide that Section 3, and maybe even Amendment 14, is unconstitutional on the basis that as it is a Civil War era legacy piece of legislation it has no relevance in the present day US.

    The court has a habit of making ruling against the popular will of a large percentage of the population. It would get them off the hook of having to make a pro or anti decision in respect of the case against Trump and the term "Office Holder" being a legitimate label to attach to the office of the presidency.

    We'll just have to wait and see what the USSC come up with to avoid being blamed by either side on the decision.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    The irony of Trump saying NATO countries have to pay up or he'd encourage Russia to attack

    When the man has spent his life trying to work out of paying any contractor or service provider or tax he could get away with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,049 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Trump's comments about encouraging Russia to do "whatever the hell they want", should be the nail in the coffin for his bid for the Presidency. It's astonishing that a potential US President could mouth such particularly partisan words. If anything showed where Trump's loyalty lies, it's within that sentence and anyone outside of the foolish MAGA cult should be making efforts to distance themselves from this creature. This piece of shit is an extreme danger, not only to his own country but to many outside of it.

    Hasn't America learnt anything about blowback yet? Dealing with rogue states and letting them do "whatever the hell they want" rarely, if ever, works out too well in the end.

    It's astonishing that a guy who's interesting in bidding for the Presidency of one of the most powerful nations on the planet could utter should dangerous drivel and even more worrying that his clapping seals cheer it on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Little Marco has already bent the knee more will follow.



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