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    #13262
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673466#Comment_121673466

    Yea its all matching too. If he’d got that shot with Wilder then who knows. He’d have been a live opponent for him. I dont think Whyte is as bad as is sometimes is made out. 2 wins against Del Boy are notable also. I think he was a justified top 10er or even top 5er.

    Aw no I was just saying that Fury took the right build up approach with him in contrast to Wilder. Same with Wlad. He didn’t perform well with Ngannou but he didn’t try to rile him either, wisely.



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    #13263
    eagle eye
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    Fury would have destroyed the best, doped up Whyte.



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    #13264
    blade1
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    So who's calling who lads.

    Fury for me purely because of the difference in size.

    If they were both the same size I'd be going with Usyk.

    Both intelligent and plenty of tricks up their sleeves.

    The one thing Usyk won't be able to do is bully Fury and lean on him.

    Fury on the other hand can if he needs to.



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    #13265
    reclose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121676009#Comment_121676009

    I’d agree with this. Fury has two ways to win boxing at distance or rough housing.

    I can see it being a very ugly fight. I hope Usyk finds a way to win it.



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    #13266
    reclose
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    i never bought into the Whyte hype. He was well promoted by Matchroom.

    he was top 10 at best but was never gonna beat the top guys.



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    #13267
    Dick phelan
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    Think I'm slightly edging Usyk purely because I have doubts about where Fury's mind is at. And you would have to wonder has the best Tyson Fury come and gone.



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    #13268
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Well lets put the Whyte debate to bed lads the point was about Fury anyway.

    For the big one I have Fury but I’m really rootin for Usyk. I think the biggest factor could well be the referee as was the case with Wilder. If the ref allows long clinches and leaning, spoiling, draining then that’s a big advantage for Fury



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    #13269
    OmegaGene
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    18/1 the draw

    4/5 fury

    6/5 Usyk

    im going with fury for this, a good biggun beat a good littleun

    i think fury has enough in his arsenal to change and adapt to the obstacle that’s Usyk, we know he can fight at range and he can come forward applying pressure with heavy shots and he can also rag doll Usyk and fight dirty if he’s allowed by the referee

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    #13270
    Robert Nairac
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    Edit: Wrong thread. Ignore.

    Post edited by Robert Nairac on


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    #13271
    walshb
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    Intriguing clash of styles. Both men capable of victory. Will be very close I feel. I’m leaning with Usyk for few reasons.

    both have keys to victory: Fury, being able to find, trap and impose physicality/punching on smaller Usyk is key. To do this, his feet need to be quick and clever to trap Usyk for long enough periods to allow him go to work

    Usyk: needs to be very mobile, fit and fleet-footed. But also, in and out punching and scoring, never allowing Fury a rhythm.

    Usyk wins because I think Fury’s feet and footwork will be laboured and ponderous, allowing Usyk time, space and scoring chances.

    I don’t think Fury will look great in 3 weeks.



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    #13272
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121681150#Comment_121681150

    Yano, I’d almost settle for that right now. Fury needs this win or all of a sudden his record doesn’t at all stand up to proper scrutiny. Win it and hes undisputed and we can really talk about ATG status. Now Usyk in my opinion already has that so the pressure for this fight isn’t quite the same. He has it certainly at CW and if he wins this then also at HW. We can argue away about the standard of the division but I dont honestly think there’s a whole pile in it and the helpers appear to be a little bit more in check these days.

    For me I can see a couple of paths to victory for Fury. He can slow the pace and go with power or he can bully Usyk around and get off quick fire combos. Usyk has to be incredible to win this. I’d love to see it but I don’t expect it.



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    #13273
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 9,331 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    parker said he was offered a few opponents at the same time, Kabayel and Hrgovic were the other two before the name Zhang was mentioned

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    #13274
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121681692#Comment_121681692

    I wonder why he went for Zhang. Kabyel was gonna be a step backwards that he doesn’t really need. Id be interested to see him again though. That win against a big ironing board isn’t all that much to go by



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    #13275
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 9,331 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121682859#Comment_121682859

    He’s always a fighter to keep an eye on apart from when he fought fa that was garbage

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    #13276
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121683190#Comment_121683190

    No I meant Kabyel.



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    #13277
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,987 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660284#Comment_121660284

    I just watched the Lewis vs Holyfield 1 fight again and it honestly has to be the biggest robbery I have ever seen. I tried to give as many rounds as possible to Holyfield but the best I could come up with is 3. I wouldn’t argue with 12-0 Lewis.



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    #13278
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121687608#Comment_121687608

    Yea it was a dreadful decision. Second fight was very close and much better. I had it Lewis by a whisker



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    #13279
    walshb
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    I had Lewis a clear winner as well. If I recall from the time, the issue/criticism was the big Lewis kind of playing it safety first against the clearly smaller and past his best Holyfield. Folks wanted to see the bigger man really stamp his authority in terms of power and destruction. That did not happen, and Holyfield competed, albeit being well beaten on points.



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    #13280
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121688226#Comment_121688226

    Aye there was an argument for Lewis winning quite clearly, it being tight but def not Holyfield winning it. Lewis built up a bit of a lead, Holyfield bossed some middle rounds and Lewis coasted home.



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    #13281
    walshb
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    George Groves confident Usyk win. I think the reference to “form” is telling. Something I am thinking as well

    “I think Usyk wins, I think he’s in better form,” Groves said. “I know people are attacking him a bit for the [Daniel] Dubois performance but I thought he was very, very good. Usyk was in full control and stopped him. Usyk will take Fury out of his comfort zone, Fury’s a big unit and he carries a lot of weight and if Usyk makes him work harder that he used to then it’s going to be a tough night for him. Usyk builds into a fight and each round he cranks it up. I think he’s in better form, I’m going against the natural size of Fury, and I’m picking Usyk. I think he wins quite comfortably.”


    Source: George Groves' Expert Prediction: Usyk To Beat Fury “Quite Comfortably” - Boxing News (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/george-groves-picking-usyk-to-beat-fury-quite-comfortably/273629)



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    #13282
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696689#Comment_121696689

    I just dont see it and I wouldn’t be especially impressed with Groves’ as a pundit.

    I watched some of the second Joshua fight and there were a few times Usyk looked in trouble. Not quite crisis but big enough problems. Joshua didn’t quite press the advantage home and Usyk remained that bit elusive. Fury is better than Joshua at what Joshua was trying to do and it nearly worked. Fury has better hand speed and footwork and he doesn’t have the mental baggage of any losses. Joshua was at all sorts of silliness in the lead up to that fight. Playing chess (my guess is that he just about learned what each piece can do) and nonsense like that. Fury will be himself and comfortable at that. Usyk was less than impressive against Dubois. Dubois even for himself was awful



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    #13283
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 9,331 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Groves and froch will say anything to grab a headline these days

    they both said Aj was finished and now they are hanging off his pecker again

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    #13284
    walshb
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697941#Comment_121697941

    Froch…

    “How good is Tyson Fury? What’s he ever done? Who’s he actually beaten? He obviously beat Klitschko in a bit of a stinker. That was just an awkward, horrible performance where he just got inside Klitschko’s head and messed him up with that jab.

    “After the Klitschko fight, Fury had those three big standout fights with Deontay Wilder. But how good is Deontay Wilder now? He looked awful against Joseph Parker. So now you start questioning him. Is Tyson Fury actually what we thought he was or has he been flattered by the lack of opposition. We don’t know but we’ll find out when he fights Usyk.”



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    #13285
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 20,055 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698548#Comment_121698548

    Andy Lee reckons Fury will win

    am i doing it right?

    Froch was outclassed by the one world class fighter he fought in ward, he is famous for beating groves twice ffs, he nearly lost the first one.



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    #13286
    yourdeadwright
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    Jonny Nelson saying yesterday he's heard Fury's getting turned over in sparring,

    Could be nonsense but Jai Opetaia only sparred him for 5 rounds & then headed back out to OZ to finish his camp for a fight on the same card , That sounds kind of odd but Jai's camp have send it was because all Fury sparring partners are south paw & they needed orthodox work ,

    Jonny did also say later in the same interview word on the street is Francis will knock Aj out so maybe he was playing up just to hype the fights,

    Whole fights rests on Fury's legs are they gone or not , We'll know inside 2 rounds ,

    Usyk was hurt badly against DDD & AJ so he can be got , He's no Floyd he gets hit with big shots ,



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    #13287
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698673#Comment_121698673

    Lets be fair Froch was a fantastic fighter & Ward is a proper great ,

    The Groves fights are miles away form the ones that made him famous ,The Jermain Taylor fight 5 year prior to Groves is what made Karl famous , then Kessler cemented him ,



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    #13288
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,633 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698798#Comment_121698798

    Froch was a great fighter. Fought everyone, and had some very solid wins against class opposition.



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    #13289
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,633 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698774#Comment_121698774

    Other than the low blow, I don’t think Usyk was badly hurt by Dubois.

    Fury’s legs are key, as you say. Something I think could be a deciding factor



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    #13290
    Cyrus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698798#Comment_121698798

    they arent though you ask joe soap who carl froch beat and 99 out of 100 will say George Groves (in front of 80,000 at wemblah) he also lost to kessler as well, Froch was good but i dont think he is in a position to question Fury. The reality is when Fury faced an all time great he beat him, when Froch did, he came up short.



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    #13291
    yourdeadwright
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698873#Comment_121698873

    It wasn't a low blow in my opinion , he tried the same trick v AJ when he was struggling & Gassiev ( although that could be the wrong fight )

    Basically multiple times in his career, he has tried to call low blow whens hes struggling ,

    Yep Fury's legs are the decider & we will know within two rounds maybe even one if they are gone or not ,



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