The new recycling system

Now that is ridiculous if it's the same chain of shops but what's new. Similar to the machines being inside the shop so you can't return stuff if they are closed.

Why would they intentionally make it difficult? It makes no sense. They want 90%+ returns, it's a stupid position to take.

If they mandated smaller shops have an RVM, people would be up in arms about the costs for smaller shops. This is a downside of having the exemption for size.

No matter what you do, people will complain.

Maybe it's been answered already, but if I buy a meal from the local chipper, get a can, will they need to take back the can? Surely there's health reasons why they wouldn't want used cans hanging around?

I don't know why they would make it intentionally difficult but per the example from tonight there is no easy way to reclaim the deposit. Do you think it was designed that way by accident? If not it has to be intentional.

Tesco is the same retail outfit

An "outlet" is a store. Tesco has multiple outlets. The FAQ says that the voucher issued from an RVM must be redeemed at the same retail outlet.

As you said, it's a matter for Tesco not ReTurn. ReTurn don't dictate how Tesco deal with their vouchers.

There's more than the FAQs on the site. There is retailers PowerPoints.

They're too small to take back cans and most likely qualify for exemption on that basis, so to answer your question: no they don't need to take back cans. but they might need to have a sign displayed somewhere or something that tells people where the nearest RVM is. i doubt they'll bother to do this though. Some chippers may even give out cans without the logo on it, until like june or so

it comes down to deposit tracking and management, but before getting into that i would also like to explain "vouchers" since i consider myself somewhat quite knowledgeable on the topic as i've been reading policies for many years, and have in the past had experiance with being signed up to places like tesco's clubcard scheme and supervalu's thing.

Regarding vouchers: The print-out deposit voucher paper thingy coming from the RVM machine's is'nt a tesco voucher, but rather a voucher that can be spent/redeemed at tesco, and only the same tesco where you've gotten the voucher from, via their RVM. Also the tesco vouchers that come from being earned via the clubcard scheme these days allow you to spend them in any tesco, and only requires that you have the same clubcard that was used to earn them with.

Regarding deposit tracking: the store that recieves your recycleables via the rvm must be (needs to be) the store that also pays you back the deposit, for the purposes of tracking claimed and redeemed deposits, and also for the purposes of re-turn reimbursing the store that paid back the deposits. And also for the shops to make 2 or 3 cent per recyclable. Its Easier to think of this as a commission. If i purchased a car or traded a car in at lets say Mr Magoo's car dealers out miles away, would it be fair if i came back to my home city's own mr magoo car dealership and then paid the commission for the transaction there? one could argue they're the same brand, but commish does'nt work like that. its a bonus paid for results you achieve, not for someone elses work.

also posted this earlier, but since you asked https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/deposit-drink-return-repeat-how-the-new-plastic-bottle-and-can-recycling-scheme-will-work/a352130529.html

Q) Can I use vouchers from one branch of a chain in another branch of the same chain?

A) No, they’re specific to one shop.

You seem to know your stuff. I'll take it I'm wrong on this one.

Thanks for being humble and for your humility :)

Why have they intentionally made it difficult? How is that not implying something? (ie they want to keep your deposit)

You're dodging that. You're dodging what you originally said. "Its like arguing with a wall".

At no point have I said this scheme isn't inconvenient. The scenario you describe is annoying. You'd have to double back to Tesco Express in Fairview (i assume there is the closest if they have one).

Can you explain your rationale for them "intentionally" making it difficult to redeem desposits?

The government will get plenty no matter what through people not bothering to return items and whatever Re-Turn will pay through normal business costs of running this racket. Re-Turn will get plenty too but if the scheme is too easy to use Re-Turn will get more of the cash than the government might like. Re-Turn can state targets all they want. Time will tell how much people will actually be bothered to use this farce and what the cut will be between the government and Re-Turn. We shall see.

But thats the thing, re-turn won't pay at all. They refuse to even pay for the normal businuess costs of running this racket, let alone paying us for our cans/bottles. They're footing all the costs onto the retailers and onto the consumers. Very dishonest. Agreed it is a farce, especially them demanding free help and expecting people to help them reach their goal without offering people nothing in return for helping achieve that. Some neck they have. Deposit tax set up to punish those who don't help. Its a win-win for ReTurn either way.

Never denied that.

You can't backup your 'its intentionally designed to be difficult to bring back' bollix you're spouting?