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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Big chance to get Rohit early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Australia still need 25 with one wicket remaining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Jaiswel goes. India 42/1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Now Gill 42/2...Pope taken two catches, some day he's having.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    West indies win by 8 runs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Big win for the WI! 7 wickets for Shamar Joseph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Shock as Rohit Sharma gets 30 and gets out. Did it loads in the world cup and in the first innings here. Slogs it away a lot in ODIs, he's unfit and gets tired after an hour. India are a joke, a billion of them and 800 million of them play cricket, and they still messed up the world cup final at home, and they are chucking this away as well. Can't play in England or New Zealand either against decent seam bowling. Gill especially looks like a dead loss. All these fellas pad their stats at home to Bangladesh, but they are not up to much. That Prithvi Shaw should be in this team unless he's injured, he's a class player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    What are India doing, from complete control to allow a match be wrestled away by Pope who is a decent batsman and a spinner on debut...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    India have watched England score at will in their second innings, a guy make nearly 200 and they are currently 7 down with just over 100 on the board. It's a terrible performance by India, England have really grabbed the initiative since yesterday and generally never let up. Hard to see England not winning from here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    This is really good by Ashwin and Bharat, they came together when England had all the momentum and they've steadied the ship. Still a long way to go for them but they've shown the top order up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Ashwin didn't need to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Great win for England with some excellent performances but India were shocking in the last two days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Match over, final over of the day and Siraj comes flying down the pitch and fresh airs. Incredible turn around by England. Didn’t give them a prayer at the end of day two. Sets up the series beautifully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Wow... I didn't see that coming, young Rehan with a 7 wicket haul 🍾

    Not one single half century from an Indian batsman in that second innings... there will be some post mortem in their dressing room and media of course....

    Series set up brilliantly now... advantage England.... could be a classic series. First test had everything....

    Delighted for the Indian lot really, you saw at the end the 12th man on with drinks and towels trying to eat up time and overs.... no time for that slithery carry on.... got what was coming to them. 👌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Young Rehan took 0/33. Hartley got 7 after everyone on this wrote him off. What exactly does Jack Leach do? He's Monty Panesar without the anger issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Sorry yes I was half asleep posting 👀🙈 Hartey indeed.

    Leach seems to get a lot of love in the camp... must be popular behind the scenes... its a weird one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Be interesting to see what direction India go with the pitches. England went one nil up last time but that was a classic Indian flat pitch that turned big later on. Toss decided that. Rest of the pitches were dustbowls after. This time England won on a spinning pitch and looked comfortable against all their spinners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    So was I most of the time, not a very sociable hour. I didn't watch much of England and India, watched a lot of West Indies Australia, that was really good. Smith batted very well, Shamar Joseph bowled quickly, and Alzarri Joseph stuck at it. They deserved it, first test win in Australia since 1997. There were exactly 1000 runs scored in the West Indies Australia test. India relaxed with the big lead and paid for it, Pope was unbelievable, to play that well for that amount of time, they looked in bits after Root and Stokes were dismissed, Ahmed and Hartley supported him well, and Mark Wood should probably have tried to hit a few, he poked around and got a duck, but it's hard to play like that when the batsman at the other end is 190 not out. Rohit slogged his wicket away in the first innings, and was dismissed at a crucial time in the second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Ravindra Jadeja being reported by India Today & NDTV in India as well as other outlets as very doubtful for this weeks test….in fact ‘could’ miss the remainder of the series….


    Post edited by Strumms on


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Dangerous game being overly critical of this England team mid game. Its caught out enough experts who are paid to give their opinions nevermind casual fans on boards. Hallmark of them since Stokes took over is finding ways to get back into games from seemingly impossible situations. Third innings it's like the opposition freeze and before you know it they're back on top.

    Proud of myself for not going overboard on Hartley after day one, said it met a rampant Jaiswal but bowled alright to the right handers. Pope surprised me, call it 1-1 after his first innings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭dohboy


    Fella just hates Stokes/England. Was at the same craic during the Ashes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Nothing could be further from the truth… so maybe desist from disingenuous lies / claims as above :) I’m hopeful that England win this series…and I don’t hate any cricket team so…. I am a Ben Stokes fan, he makes some head scratching captaincy call in my opinion. Some that in my view went towards costing England the Ashes…

    my prediction wasn’t correct in this test but not an unreasonable one when it was made, the bookies and indeed many cricket commentators at one point agreed with me…

    Ganguly one of the greats predicted in the Hindu Times 4-0 or 5-0 to India…. One of the greatest cricketers and captains, but yes, he predicted wrong too !



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    He also hates Irish cricket, the women in particular. Not sure why he watches the game to be honest!



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Not sure Stokes would want someone like you as a fan. Read your comments back, far from being a prediction they were just an outburst against the English management, captaincy and players and this before the game was even finished! Possibly the only more deranged outburst last week was by Rodney Hogg in his comments about the West Indies cricket team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Yep, and nothing indicates that I hate stokes, I criticised him ;) .. you are being incredibly disingenuous with people here, sorry. 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Big team news today is that Ravi Jadeja and KL Rahul will miss the second match. Safaraz Khan added to the squad. His record in first class cricket is incredible averaging 69.8 so a long overdue call up. Washington Sundar would be the closest to Jadeja but they have Kuldeep too. Both might play and drop Siraj who didn't bowl a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    So they’ll be without Kohli, Jadeja and Rahul…that’s more or less the spine of their middle order batting…. Unreal luck for England…

    with a bit of luck they’ll get to take advantage

    Bharat is pretty inexperienced, this will be his 6th or 7th test. He’s yet to perform with the bat… hasn’t scored a half century as yet…. His first class career isn’t exactly full of runs either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It's a pity the WI win in Brisbane isn't getting the attention of the England victory, I knew it had been a while, but I didn't realise 1997 was their last test victory in Australia, and given where Test Cricket has fallen in the WI, their victory was exceptional. 20 tests in 20 years, 16 defeats and 4 draws. Shamar Joseph was excellent, let's hope he continues to deliver.

    England did well, with huge performances from Pope and Hartley in particular, notably from the position they found themselves in on day 2, but in some of the narratives around the game you'd swear England were a plucky underdog in a David v Goliath contest - in reality, it was the second-best Test team versus the 3rd best (I accept the WTC doesn't currently reflect this - but we know there are flaws in that system). I think most would accept that Aus/India and England are the top 3 test teams, possibly with NZ just behind.

    Interesting to see how India responds, they will want to hit back hard, the injuries are a problem, though perhaps some fresh faces may be a positive too. Will England bring in Anderson?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Anderson question is interesting. He’s 42 in the summer…. Every day of this 2nd test the high temperature is forecasted to be either 30°/31° with the ‘real feel’ forecasted to be a couple of degrees hotter… it’s going to be an absolute dead stifling heat, although the forecasted wind has now increased from earlier.

    he will be more then likely gassed after 4 overs bowling in that. Tricky one. Maybe they gamble with 4 over spells x 3…. Start of the day, after lunch and after tea…. Go with an ultra attacking field and see what happens…

    a pitch report from an Indian source…

    The pitches at the Dr. Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy ACA–VDCA Cricket Stadium in Visakhapatnam, just like most Test pitches in India, are generally very good for the batters in the first half of the match before spinners have their say. The average first innings score at this venue in Tests is 478, which both India and England will be targeting during their first innings to bat the opposition out of the contest.

    Sounds like the winning of the toss will be extremely important here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    It was a remarkable win by the West indies. I don't think it's been neglected by the cricket media at all though. Both ended the same day and a lot of time was donated to it and it reopened the whole discussion on the bigger picture of the game.

    It reminds me of 2019 when Stokes played that amazing Headingley innings, people were complaining that Kusal Perara didn't get enough praise for his equally great innings in South Africa. For people on this side of the world one is higher profile than the other and will get more of our attention.

    What is something to look forward to is the West indies coming to England in a few month. That attack now is very exciting. Always have a chance with good bowlers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    It was a wonderful weekend of cricket and definitely it warmed the heart.

    The West Indies win in Australia has to go down as one of the biggest surprises in recent times in test cricket. A really inexperienced side brought with them a potential superstar of the game in Shamar Joseph. Many of us have grown up to the tales of the great West Indies quicks of the 80s and 90s and that has really been a thing of the past and many West Indies sides since have failed to produce genuine stars. I don't know if Shamar Joseph can bring back that vigour of the great West Indies sides but I'm sure he is going to try! His back story is unbelievable and he only turned professional last year and had just played 2 first class games before getting the call for the West Indies A side and then graduating to the senior side for the Australia tour. Problems aren't solved overnight for the West Indies with one win, but the love around the world for them spoke volumes about what cricket has been missing and needs to do. Apart from the massive funding deficits, hopefully a number of youngsters from the Caribbean will be inspired to take up the game.

    England's victory was astonishing in many respects also at the weekend. You could argue that in the first innings, that Pope and Hartley were England's worst performers and to see them then both be vying for player of the match was all you needed to know for the comeback victory. The turnaround was incredible and the positive mindset in that 3rd innings unsettled India. The old approach of defend and defend and wait for a bad ball was thrown out on a variable pitch and England just got on with it. Once the Foakes-Pope partnership got moving, the Indian heads just started to drop and they never really regained control of the match. The pressure of a 4th innings chase got to them on what remained a pretty ok batting strip as Bumrah and Siraj showed with their last wicket partnership.

    Last time out England won the first test and then India prepared pitches that turned square from the first day which changed the series. Doesn't look like India's batting line-up is quite as strong as it was then particularly with Kohli missing for this the next one as well. England could pick an Anderson to keep the run rate down if the spinners get whacked around a bit. There wasn't really a need for an extra spinner in the first test match due to Root's performance and they could swap Rehan Ahmed for Anderson although they would lose a bit in the runs department. Jack Leach seems to always have something go wrong for him, and he didn't look great on Sunday so obviously his selection is in doubt. India would still be favoured to turn it around despite their injuries, simply because they are at home but England certainly gave them a shock and it will be interesting to see how they respond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Forecast had suggested it might be a day lost due to weather but that’s improved now which is great….

    I think I’ll be forgoing the AM session and setting the alarm to catch up with play after lunch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Leach ruled out due to injury according to the BBC.

    who to replace him, the other spinner Shoaib Bashir or Jimmy Anderson ? Interesting to see who they choose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Pitch is looking more seam friendly according to Zak Crawley so Anderson or Robinson you'd imagine. Pitch could look totally different the morning of the game so who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    For all the impact he has, you could stick a green bin on the boundary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Anderson and Bashir in for Wood and Leach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    So they went with both Bashir and Jimmy. Wood dropped. It will be Rehan’s third game, Hartley’s second and Bashir will be making his debut. India of a few years ago when they were like a machine with Rohit, KL, Pujara, Kohli, Rehane, Pant, Jadeja and Ashwin would be making life a living hell for them. Now you’d give them a chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    In that first test Wood bowled 17 overs in the first innings, just 8 in the second was wicketless for the whole test…. Bowled very economically though 2.76 and 1.88 were his economy rates respectively. But if you ain’t taking wickets I guess. Brave move by Stokes…. Anderson almost 42…. Bowling in temperatures of 31°….. wonder if Wood has a niggle and they are resting him… nothing in the media that I can see. He is 34 so maybe it’s seen as necessary across a 5 test series in very hot and challenging conditions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭InsideEdge


    Just for accuracy, Wood isn't dropped, he is being rested and it was always the intention to rotate him and Anderson, especially with two sets of back-to-back tests.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Dropped, rested, rotated, managing his workload all amount to the same thing. He didn't bowl that much, 25 overs in total. Put it this way, had been as effective as Bumrah was he would playing again tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    He bowled well and was unsuited by conditions, he hurried the batsmen and nobody looked comfortable against him. Jimmy Anderson will take 0/40 off 20 or something like it. He's less of a wicket taking threat in Indian conditions, but won't get hit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Wood was fine, economical and had a chance dropped. Bumrah, his direct rival, clearly out bowled him however. He’s a strike bowler and they need someone to bowl longer spells.

    If Anderson can replicate what he did in India last time he will bring more to the team. It’s often said it’s roles reversed when in India, spinners attack and the seamers dry up an end. After a poor Ashes there’s questions about Anderson too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Anderson looking a bit pedestrian in his first over. 81/82 mph… only conceded a single though..up to 85/86 mph in his second…

    Root bowling the second over… concedes 8, bowling noticeably faster and flatter in the fourth….concedes a single, better.

    Anderson is bowling fast now, at his age, this heat / humidity…. How many overs a spell / day will he fit in… ?

    27° from the get go and due to get up to 30°…

    decent start by the England attack, one quarter chance that evaded square leg just about…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Did it again, should be dropped to be honest, bats on roads and gives it away after an hour whatever the format. 2 ducks in a row against Afghanistan in 2 T20s, then gets a hundred and all is forgiven. He does this too many times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    First comment on cricinfo straight after the dismissal was it's very unlike Rohit, from some Indian, wonder does he watch cricket. He does it all the time. Indians are completely blinkered, can't discuss cricket with them, every conversation turns to Kohli or Tendulkar after 10 seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Just looked up Rohit in the world cup. In overs 1-10 he scored 401 @80.2. That's very impressive, outside the powerplay overs he made 196@32.66. Again another hundred against Afghanistan 134 to pad his stats. Still think he threw it away too many times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Gill out for 34. Wicket for Jimmy Anderson. 89/2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    second wicket down. Good catch by Foakes to dismiss Gill off the bowling of Anderson.

    England needed that. They didn’t create enough this morning… a close LBW shout and an arial shot just evading square leg…were the only close calls besides the 2 wickets .

    Lunch 103/2.. India will be very satisfied with their mornings work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Lucky wicket for England - Ahmed 'bowled' Patadir. Match even enough - a couple of wickets and England will be in front, but if Jaiswal sticks around and continues to score, India could build toward a big score.



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