150KTubs - future career in Virgin Radio and other soulful pursuits **Mod: Read OP**

Any chance of paying the money back died with the contract re-negotiation falling through.

It could be possible to come to an agreement should any future contract be “drawn up”.

Give the man a break for heavens sake, he was made unemployed and had to emergrate like 1000s of his native folk before him. The man just lost his job and only for some nice people who found a flat would have become another homeless statistic on streets of Picidilly or Chelsea. I am sure once he is settled in and has a few bob he will start a re-payment plan simular to those who are caught riding the social. It was not his fault he was plucked obscurely and talentless and hoisted into the most sought after broadcasting role in TV, it probably was written in the stars for him.

I dont think he should come back.

Bur he was close to being re-hired by RTE for radio slot until Bakkurst took issue with Tubridys remarks about the pay scandal during negotiations.

I had to emigrate when that runt was on 700k.

There's real anger out there that these self appointed celebs were rolling in it when most people struggled.

Zero sympathy. Arrogantly he thinks he's the wronged one.

Except, of course Tubridy didn’t rob a single cent.

He had a contract with RTE, and was paid under that contract. That RTE shouldn’t have entered into such a contract with him, or that Renault didn’t bother availing of the services entitled to them under the contract are neither here nor there. He was and remains legally entitled to the money.

So let’s just stick to the facts, instead of building some fanciful narrative where robbers are in front of judges.

There’s plenty of things to criticise Tubridy about. But criminality isn’t one of them.

It’s hilarious how he manages to boil the piss of some lads. Put down the phone and go for a brisk walk by the sea.

Dee Forbes still MIA too.

Looking at the salary increases even after the bank guarantee really highlights an entitlement culture detached from society.

I loathe the tv license adverts when there's zero accountability from the rat nest.

He’s no longer employed by RTÉ, the contract is up and no new one drawn up.

When Ryan is back with RTÉ something will be “worked” into that new contract to facilitate this, even though Ryan was under zero obligation to pay anything back as the money was contractually guaranteed.

I think Tubridy is a **** broadcaster, and likely to be a **** person, but due to Noel Kelly's relationship with Dee Forbes (would be interested in seeing an forensic accountant report back on their arrangements) has been elevated to a position way above his abilities. While Tubridy rise was down to NK and RTE politics, Tubridy believed the nonsense that NK and RTE had been telling him. So when publicly taking a pay cut in solidarity with the rest of RTE staff - his supposed friends, and as has been outlined everyone who works with him thinks he's great - his agent was making for arrangements for Ryan not to be out of pocket. Obviously, it wouldn't be a good look for their star investment so let's pretend its Renault that's going to pay for it. and of course NK talent management will use a different company to invoice. "No one will find out Ryan, but you will get 150K a year. We have been screwing the taxpayers for years so fuckem".

Can you and the other members of the Ryan Tubridy Criticism Council meet and adjudge if I'm ok to dislike Ryan Tubridy for the above? I know you are not a fan but I'm hoping you, the other paid NK contributors, and Tubridy fans can make a decision on this matter quickly. I'm in a quandry.

There has been a massive rupture of trust as evidenced by the decline of license payers.

Let's think about this in terms of how the real world, and real people, work. Where there's nuance and perspective, context and ambivalence. Not the artificial idealised, black and white pseudo-morality of social media discussion.

Tubridy was in front of the PAC (and the nation) at a time that he was in active negotiations with RTE for his radio contract. He was still being paid by them at the time, still under their financial control. The TDs on the Committee are all trying to show that they're hard-nosed investigators, even though Dail Committees have zero powers of any consequence. This isn't a trial, he's not under oath, it isn't an inquest, it isn't a Tribunal, it isn't the House Committee on Un-American Activities; it's basically a bunch of random TDs in a room with microphones, that have invited him there with the same legal power you or I could invoke to invite a cousin to our birthday party. But boy, are they going to use those microphones - there's voters watching. They ask Tubridy if he'll pay back the 150k.

Freeze frame.

For Tubridy, there's only one possible answer to this: "If that work is not called up to be done, of course the money goes back". If he says anything other than this, his contract negotiations with RTE are over. We got him, lads! Here we have a citizen basically being held over a barrel by elected politicians with no statuary power to enforce or punish, in front of the nation, with his career and future in the balance. It's actually a terrifyingly undemocratic situation if you think about it, but let's put that aside and just deal with things as they played out.

Paying the money back will be part of the new contract. Assuming, as he and everything else did at the time, his contract is finalised, the money will be paid back. You can't just hand RTE an envelope with 150k - that's just not how these things work. Tax has been paid on it. PRSI. USC. Pension contributions. VAT, etc. This requires that instead of cash being hand over, work is done in lieu of it. So you pay back by working but not being paid (or being paid less). It's a contractual arrangement, and it only works if the contract exists. Which of course it will...

Fast forward a few weeks, and RTE end the negotiations on a whim. They don't like an Instagram post Tubridy made. Their prerogative, but an unforeseen situation for all involved.

He's left with no contract. He's no longer paid by RTE. No agreement or mechanism to repay the money. He physically can't just Revolut RTE 150k (they can't just legally or fiscally accept money handed to them like that), and he can't "work it off" as he was going to under the contract (that never happened). So he has to walk away, keep the money (that is legally his) and move on with his life. Which he has done on a national radio station in the UK, syndicated on multiple local stations here, and a national Sunday newspaper column.

So yeah, on the internet, with its hot takes and 180 character theses, he didn't pay back, so he's a scumbag and a thief. Judgment made, take him out at dawn, shoot him and charge his family for the price of the bullet, and let's all clap ourselves on the back for our moral righteousnesses.

Some of us, though, can still recognise, process and incorporate the complexities and contractions of real life in our world view.

Fair point. So substitute those with Corporation Tax, VAT, etc. The accounting complexities are probably even more onerous for inter-company transactions than employer-employee.

But regardless, it's the fact that the contract negotiations ceased without agreement that prevents the money being "worked off".

Edit: Actually, this reminds be of something regarding the "moral" argument. Morality is for individuals. Companies are legally required to act within the law, and - under the, fiduciary duties laid out in Part 5 of the Companies Act 2014 - in the best interests of the company and its shareholders - not by the constraints of individual morality or "the common good".

A company unilaterally paying 150k cash to a former client for no return, when not legally required, would certainly not be in the best interests of the company or its shareholders.

Kevin Bakhurst specifically said that RTE would ask for the money back and take it if Tubridy “was agreeable to it”. Via the contract negotiations was the only mechanism that could happen.

Read is Daily Mail column, he met with the Doyle brothers. Craig Doyle who RTÉ missed out on, only to have his brother Keith appear on numerous RTÉ shows in the early 2000s and then tried to have Craig become a chatshow hosts.