The new recycling system

it would be nice if they "ReTurned" the excess money to the consumers lol. perhaps a "free drinks scheme" where anyone who recycles 4 cans gets their normal deposit + a free drink. Obviously not alcohol. But with the fizzy drinks cans and bottles of water i mean. Something like this for a week or 2 at the end of the year, or during the summer would be a nice way to pay us back for helping them achieve their goals.

They want to build a recycling plant for plastics as opposed to shipping them overseas.

I assume the profits will go into this and other similar environmental schemes.

He/she won the argument. Also re-turn not wanting the cans to be damaged quite clearly shows how hard it is to bring back, + putting the RVMs in super markets and big franchise chains, while local small corner shops become exempt from the scheme and only point you in the direction of where the next nearest rvm is at most. Maybe we should somehow force small business to become part of the scheme and to take our cans over the counter instead? After all re-turn as pointed out by the banned user a few posts above, had initially promised all shops being participants of the scheme and accepting the recycleables.

Assumption is the mother of all mistakes.

One would "assume" that a request asking people to change their habbits (whatever those habbits might be) would be accompanied by a well thought out, documented and communicated plan with questions such as this easily answered.

Instead we have a scheme costing millions, that has numerous flaws from day one that could/should have been addressed in planning/pilot stage being masquaraded as a "reclycing" scheme.

It's comical.

You don't see any flaws or potential issues?

I see inconveniences. I see trade offs. I think you and I will define flaws differently.

Do i see anything that will prevent the system from reaching 90%? No.

I think the system in its current form would reach 90% collection within the next 5 years.

it can reach 90% collection in less than a year, if return was'nt being so fussy/controlling and allowed non-logo cans to be returned. this is clearly more about numbers than it actually is about recycling.

return even admits to not actually recycling them. they claim to sell them instead and called it "another source of revenue for the scheme" they don't seem to care about recycling at all, and instead are selling them on. i feel most of us have been mislead about this all along.

all a numbers game. its numbers they want! reaching the target goal

We don't have the facilities to recycle them in Ireland is my understanding.

The CEO on the Claire Byrne show said the intention is to build a recycling plant for them. It needs to be economically viable first. This scheme will make it economically viable.

to be fair, we do have the facilities, but just not in their favor. They want money from it before anything else and if its not financially feasible then they're not willing to take a hit for the sake of recycling and rather push that fee on the consumers instead. Scrap yards in ireland do take cans recycling, i posted their current rates a few pages back and found atleast a handful that accept cans.

As for plastic bottle facilities i'm unsure, and believe its possible none of these yet exist in ireland. From what i know theyre supposed to get melted into plastic pellets which and re-sold as raw material, but why have we been recycling all these paste years if we don't even have these facilties? MONEY thats why. They simply sell them to 3rd world countries and have people dig through our trash for recyclables.

most of the cans/bottles valuble quick easy money recycleables from the recycling bins from people who already recycle are being redirected their way into ReTurn's hands in this scheme, this is done intentionally with the deposit thing by design so the bin men don't get them.

This also comes with the additional few people supposedly in theory no longer deciding to throw their cans on the road knowing they can get money back from them, or other people supposedly coming out of nowhere to pick them cans up if they do happen to see them. But then there's also the mindset of "oh my can is damaged, no point carrying this around with me anymore since i can no longer get the deposit on it due to being broke" and then discarding it onto the street. Which creates more messier environment.

its really just something that sounds/looks good on paper and in theory to some. but more of an assumption based thing and of a speculative nature than anything

The percentage of people who do online shopping exclusively is small. I suspect the majority (90%+) visit a major shop every month or pass by a major shop on the way to work/elsewhere.

It's very inconvenient for the people who shop online exclusively.

Do you think the scheme will reach the 90% collection rate target within 5 years? (90% by 2029 is the target)

yes one may argue the percentage of elderly doing online shopping is small, but its not just the elderly that do online shopping though keep in mind. There's also the physically disabled who use online delivery, people who have social anxiety, people who have that "can't leave my house" phobia (the name escapes me), and ontop of all that you also have the lazy people who simply don't wanna leave their homes, or the people who have tight schdules and rely on the conveinience of delivery, or housebound stuck looking after kids and can't leave their homes for whatever reason. Infact there does'nt need to be any reason or justification for choosing delivery.

Remember lockdowns? Was alot of delivery, infact i still see tesco and dunnes delivery vans atleast 3 times a day.

Either way, its quite clear now that re-turn have entirely disregarded these people intentionally (to get their cans or their deposits) and are only in it for the money. So they clearly considered these people in mind and designed this scheme like this intentionally. so they win-win either way. and benefit off of people who don't/can't partake in bringing their recyclables to the RVM. Clearly by design after being pointed out.

That's also reflective and not something that is current printed so exactly the same issues exist, plus even less area to print the barcode on.

Welcome back to the thread my friend, we've missed you. You give really great opinions and very insightful responses.

What is your take on things like "green-tax" being applied on this scheme? in a way this deposit scheme is kind of a pesudo green tax on people who choose not to recycle, and on people who still do choose to recycle but at home with their bin provider instead of at the local RVM machine.

Less returns = more tax take.

"please redesign every single part of your packaging system to accommodate a non-standard thing that only one small country is going to do" is a bit more than an inconvenience.