Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

I absolutely did not say it was second generation immigrants that carried out the majority of these attacks. I never mentioned terrorist attacks. You must be confusing me with another poster. Terrorism is one issue but it's not the only one

I agree with you that more needs to be done to integrate all immigrants and that's another reason why Ireland's immigration policy is disastrous and not fit for purpose.

And yes vetting only goes so far but at the moment it's literally nothing. We've had criminals come from the UK and Europe

Yes you're right, I'm referring to immigrants who have come from the UK and EU with their documents destroyed. Which absolutely does happen

Yes it does.

What events in Europe in the last decade were you referring to?

Or weren't allowed to integrate in some cases? Integration is a two way process - there is as much onus on the host country to help its new citizens assimilate. The most peaceful and settled countries are the ones where the two sides have reached out to each other. When you hear of ghettoes and the like, the suspicion would be that the host country is not particularly good at welcoming or integrating its new citizens.

There is a certain willful ignorance about so much discussion on immigration. Ireland isn't the first country to deal with it. And it's very clear that integration of Muslim immigrants can be very, very difficult. Not acknowledging this is pointless and unnecessarily divisive. Another clear fact is that large scale immigration is going to put pressure on housing. When people deny this they are being disingenuous. When people deny things that are obviously true it only increases division.

BS. They aren't willing to integrate and you know it, they want to keep their culture including their barbaric customs like FGM, honor killings and incestuous arranged marriages.

And why aren't we talking about honor killings, caste discrimination, acid attacks and arranged marriages carried out by people from Hindu cultures, as have occurred in the UK?

To me there's two possible reasons for this.

1) It's easier to portray Muslims as bogeymen, based on media portrayals of terrorism.

2) Muslims are more likely to arrive as IP in Ireland, making them an easier target for bigotry.

No such thing as wokism

That I can see nobody here is trying to deny or defend what has happened in isolated cases amongst Muslim immigrants.

It just shows that your arguments about the 'dangers' of Islam as a pile of bs, when you don't apply the same criteria to other groups.

It's a pretty common tell-tale sign of an invalid or disingenuous argument if logic isn't applied consistently.

That and you the fact you won't come out and say what your problem with muslim migration is. You're being vague and shifting around the issue, the best I can gather is it's something to do with terrorist incidents but not entirely.

I actually received a mod warning for listing what I think are the dangers of Islam ideology. So please forgive me if I'm coming across as vague

No, quoted your post in which you describe events that happened in Europe in the last decade, and the rise of extremism. If you are not referring to terrorism then what events ?

And how are you quantifying Islamic extremism?

We should, and I actually did see caste discrimination happening, and it was among doctors and engineers. We should talk about every negative aspect of importing third world culture and we should keep talking about it until we stop importing third world culture.

When people deny things that are obviously true it only increases division.

I don’t agree with that at all, it’s when people make claims that obviously aren’t true, in an attempt to increase division, that division increases.

Integration of Muslim immigrants just to take one example isn’t difficult at all, they’ve been integrated into Irish society for decades and you wouldn’t know they were Muslim unless you asked them directly and they answered in the affirmative.

‘Large scale immigration’ can be as vague as anyone making the point needs it to be in order to claim that it puts pressure on housing, yet the vast majority of large scale immigration isn’t Muslims, it isn’t even immigrants, but returning emigrants, Irish citizens, who left and are now returning from other countries. Typical example in this morning’s Irish Independent of a returning emigrant who found that the grass isn’t always greener abroad, is now back and renting in Dublin:

https://archive.ph/nCkL3

The ‘large scale immigration’ argument in terms of wilful ignorance also tends to ignore emigration figures which mean a decrease in the pressure on housing:

Emigration and immigration have played key roles in shaping the Ireland of today. Census 2022 put the population of Ireland at more than 5.1 million, its highest point in more than 171 years. Interestingly, the number of immigrants, or those entering the State in the year to April 2023, was estimated to be 141,600, while the number of emigrants, or those leaving the State, over the same period was estimated at 64,000. These combined flows gave positive net migration (more people arriving than leaving), of 77,600 in the year to April 2023, compared with 51,700 in the previous year.

The number of immigrants in the year to April 2023 was the highest since the year to April 2007 and consisted of 29,600 returning Irish nationals, 26,100 other EU nationals, 4,800 UK nationals, and 81,100 other nationals including Ukrainians.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-ieu50/irelandandtheeuat50/society/migration/

It’s not just housing in any case, but long before increased immigration the Government were aware that there needed to be significant increased investment in public services, but they didn’t want to increase investment in public services because that would have meant increased taxation which would have made any political party unpopular (no political party, to the best of my knowledge, has ever been elected on the promise that they would increase taxes!). Just checked and nope, it’s not an election winner:

https://www.thejournal.ie/taxes-parties-4991584-Feb2020/

The problem isn’t housing per se, it’s an inability to afford housing, for some people among the population. It’s also an inconvenient fact for people holding increased immigration responsible for increasing pressure on housing, that Ireland has one of the highest rates of home ownership among the over-40s in Europe. They also tend to ignore the fact that Ireland has significant rental supports for people on low incomes who are renting, and it’s middle to high-income earners who struggle with affordability:

Close to 80 per cent of people over the age of 40 in Ireland own their home, according to the report, yet barely a third of adults younger than 40 are homeowners.

It found that on average Irish households pay one fifth of their net income on rent or mortgage, ranking sixth.

The think tank said extensive rental supports here have sheltered lower income households from more significant affordability pressures.

Rents in the Republic have surged in recent years. The standardised average rent for new tenants increased by about one-fifth between the end of 2019 and end of 2022, according to the Residential Tenancies Board.

Commenting on the report, author Rachel Slaymaker of the ESRI said: "While elsewhere in Europe rising affordability pressures have been primarily concentrated amongst the lowest income rental households, in Ireland extensive rental supports have mitigated the effects for these households.

"However, in the market price rental sector, affordability pressures remain elevated and middle-to-higher income renters in Ireland face greater affordability pressures than similar households in Europe."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-young-people-being-squeezed-out-of-home-ownership-research-finds-1504501.html

It’s just much easier to incorporate misleading information into one’s world view when the foundations are already established by what they perceive to be true, rather than actually being open to establishing the truth of anything for themselves, because that takes more time and effort than they’re actually willing or bothered to make. It’s easier to accept the lie.