Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

Who said thousands? It's an option among many. You've already repeatedly stated that driving there is so bad apparently that you'll never go to a game again but you also complain about other valid options. Smacks of laziness to be honest.

Coming into a city or town you don't live in and parking where ever you feel like because you are too tight to pay for parking and too much of a snob for public transport is scummy yes.

Was delighted to see 2 guards cycling around PuC giving out tickets at the Limerick game last year.

The 800k per year extra for Munster wouldn't work out like that. Moving one big game from Thomond would damage season ticket sales, they'd have to reduce the price. Season ticket sales are extremely important, it would be crazy to prioritise one off games which may or may not attract a big crowd. There is no guarantee of touring teams coming nevermind a crowd so that can't be relied on.

There is no chance Ireland U20 rugby games would be played in Cork if PUC was the venue. The IRFU would keet them in Donnybrook or possibly play them in Ravenhill, they'd use a stadium they own. The IRFU will use their own assets first, they won't be paying to use a GAA stadium.

Even if Cork City could get 15k attendance, that would be lost in PUC. The truth is neither soccer nor rugby have any interest in a GAA stadium when they own a stadium themselves. Keeping all income for themselves would be better than sharing income to cover the cost of additional capacity that they will never need.

i wouldnt be looking to the US as an example for this. for one, the designs for said multi-use stadia simply werent that fit for purpose. but the main push towards single-use stadia is much more down to corporate greed of team/franchise owners rather than anything else

from a design/planning POW municipal stadia are an infinitely better option, once designed to allow sufficient flexibility for the relevant sports

Can you offer any figures on season ticket sales for Munster? Both Cork City and Ireland 20's proposals were based on what could have been built rather than what was built.

I remember you being a massive advocate on here for single use when the PUC renovation was proposed. A simple google search brings up many examples such as the below response to what turned out to be astute concerns at how Cork GAA would fund this:

I doubt the viability of the PUC redevelopment is based entirely on selling match tickets. I am sure they plan to generate commercial income from concerts, conferences tourists, and people from the new park. In fact, I would not be surprised if the plan is for non-match day revenue to be the main source of income. There is no chance of, or indeed need for, a municipal stadiums in Cork. Munster Rugby are struggling to pay the debt on Thomond as it is, there is no way they want to get involved with another similar sized stadium in Cork. They are undertaking upgrade works on Musgrave and playing a few smaller games in there every year is enough, anything more would undermine Thomond and the investment there.

Both of your points here have proven completely wrong. Cork GAA are nowhere near close to funding the debt on the stadium with concerts, conferences and people from the new park. On the second point Cork GAA have explicitly called for PUC to be municipal use this month with a specific mention of rugby, in order for it to be sustainable:

2024 will see the return of rugby and concerts to the stadium as it seeks to fulfil a municipal agenda. Such high scale and indeed expensive physical assets simply must be utilised at every part possible opportunity and as we do not have access to a sufficient number of games in our own Association, we must look elsewhere at every opportunity. Yes, there may be sacrifices along the way in terms of scheduling, but all commercial opportunities must be strongly considered if we are to continue to financially support our teams in the manner required

Revealed: Páirc Uí Chaoimh to be renamed Supervalu Park in historic rights deal  

Additionally Munster Rugby have now booked the stadium for use twice in the last 15 months, both events sold out weeks in advance of the actual games.

Its astonishing that you are still here making the same arguments 10 years later given the abject commercial failure of Pairc Ui Caoimh, the explicit calls from Cork GAA that the stadium needs to embrace municipal use and the unquestionable success of the three times the stadium has been put to use for other sports, with sell outs for all three.

I said PUC redevelopment wouldn't be viable based entirely on selling match tickets - this is true, it isn't.

I said they would have to look to generate other commercial income - this is true, they are.

I said there was no chance of a municipal stadium in Cork - this is true, it isn't one.

Not sure how you think my points have proven completely wrong.

Seeking to "fulfil a municipal agenda" isn't the same as a municipal stadium (which is defined purely by its ownership), it's just a nice way of saying they are desperate for money so will host any events.

Saying "Both Cork City and Ireland 20's proposals were based on what could have been built rather than what was built" is an if my auntie had balls type argument, it means nothing. It is just some fantasy scenario which ignores all reality.

Munster Rugby own a stadium and a struggling to pay it's debts, they aren't going to pay for someone else's stadium and one-off novelty games are not equitable to standard league games against less than glamorous opposition.

The IRFU also own other stadiums which would be used before PUC. Cork City also own a stadium and I'm sure none of their fans would accept leaving that to play in a huge GAA stadium which has a huge gap between fans and the pitch. If you offered them the chance to go halves on a PUR redevelopment, they wouldn't touch it.

Soccer/rugby would either have to rent the stadium at €200k a night or would have had to pay €X0m towards the redevelopment. They wouldn't cover the rent and if they had that capital, they'd get better return from investing in their own facilities. But you are free to continue to fantasise and assign any sporting fixture you like to the stadium.

pUC is a fantastic stadium with a spectacular setting and the most modern outside of Dublin. Now that it’s getting more concerts and matches, there is a campaign by some to try and stop it getting more matches. It’s got good access and is walkable for the city centre with lots of public transport. And it will pay for itself over time just like the last stadium when the same sort of nonsense was being spouted. Some supporters are just not used to travelling it seems.

Try getting into and out of that Kip of a stadium the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick.

"Ran out of road" 🤭

The Gaelic Grounds that is closer than PuC to the city centre and served by the 343 and 302 bus ?

Im with you on the Mackey stand though. Should have been knocked with the rest of the old stadium.

Only once have I ever had real trouble getting in our out of a stadium and that was a Munster final in Killarney. Even then it just meant a lot of walking and sitting in a stopped car. It's certainly not just an Irish thing either because any stadium in Europe I have been to requires plenty of walking.

Gaelic Grounds is as difficult or easy as PUC to get in and out of depending on your perspective. As for no campaign there was a big enough one last year to get the Clare v Limerick game scheduled for the Gaelic Grounds. Of course different grounds compete and campaign for games.

A good deal for Cork GAA. Not sure of the thinking behind this decision from Super Valu. Retaining the PUC name alongside their brand, ensures that nobody outside of the media will call it SVPUC(unless you're a incredibly lame individual). Also, there's **** all on in there most of the time.