Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Any Re-Turn labelled cans which escaped into the wild before they should have (and I bought one before Christmas) won't cost the retailer anything, it'll be an ever so tiny loss to Re-Turn. But every bottle or can which the producer/importer has to pay for up front, and ends up in green bin / landfill / etc is a gain for Re-Turn. The latter is going to far outweigh the former.

interesting, especially the last part you mentioned about the latter outweighing the former in regards of the unclaimed deposits for some cans ending up in bins. the same logic was applied in another thread when relating to people scamming the machines. long story short if possible to scam the machines it will be hard to detect until after the number of apparent unclaimed deposits become 0% and starting going the opposite way due to too many scam redeems. once that happens it will begin eating into the profits. There was even a joke posted there about achieving a 140% recycling rate lol.

Some person somewhere in a country that had a simular scheme, was able to keep putting the can into the machine again and again, made a bunch of profit then got caught and charged with fraud.

That tends to work out so well here when you give a monopoly to such a company, with zero incentive for them to run the service well from the consumers pov.

You can bring it back to any shop which has not got an exemption. Any of the Big supermarkets + Centra, Spar, daybreak, applegreen, circle K (that kinda size) will be taking returns. When you get to newsagents, chances are they will be taking the exemption at first.

To use your example you can bring it back in another chain, in another town and they have to give you cash.

Great thanks!

in the pockets of re-turn.

Yes, I understand that, but what happens the excess funds, just up the Directors remuneration or some “consultants” fees, so the company does not make a profit, or do they have this all worked out so perfectly that the income/outcome balances, I doubt it.

the company ALWAYS makes a profit, and this is intentionally at the expense of the costs of running the service being footed to others (eg consumers, deposits, manufacturers etc.) The profits/excess go directly into re-turns pocket. They may decide to keep this or re-invest it into their own scheme to make themself grow bigger.

Also please do not let the terms "non-profit" and "not-for-profit" fool you. They are misleading and make it sound like the company makes no profit, but the companies using those terms quite often always do make a profit, and at the expense of others, and they also profit in other ways such as perks or direct access/misuse of funds with only a small portion of it percentage wise only ever going to its actual cause.

Whenever you see "nonprofit", think to yourself "i/the consumer can't profit off of this company, they want something from me and want to give me back nothing in return. this non-profit is a company that is money driven or wants money or some other donation that can be turned into money (raw material, clothing, cans etc) but does not want to give me anything in return and has no product to self me, other than a belief that i am somehow helping someone somewhere or some cause or something. This is just what the use as a front and advertising to get ur donation from you, whatever form that donation may be in. it doesnt mean they make no profit, it means they offer no product for sale and you cannot profit/gain anything from any donation you give them"

and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise! alot of people defending non-profits don't realize this truth, and seem to do it out of emotions or out of a misunderstanding of nonprofits without realizing the whole marketting and businuess side to it. non profits, profit off of perks and other things. And people who promote non-profits for businuess reasons, profit from being paid clients for them (often paid with the donation money) or from other favors/perks.

Thank you for laying it out more eloquently than I could.

Re-turn is owned by the producers, they can't take profit out of it, so its in their interest to ensure it costs as little as possible to run and sets the fees as low as possible.

No, they'll put the producer fees up. There is no legislative basis for anything else.

It won't. It hasn't anywhere else. Producers carry the cost, less anything left from unclaimed returns - that's how it always works.

Step To Far. Final Thoughts:

Its almost Dday but its not for me. Twenty years now of separating and washing our rubbish and now they 'incentivise' us again to do more separation. I don't use a commercial waste service for reasons too long to go into here. I have been doing the right thing but am sick of tripping over bags all over the kitchen and shed etc. So I won't be doing any extra separating. Kinda sad really because 30 years ago I was a business owner who had new plastic boxes delivered every month and tried so hard to get suppliers to take back used ones for recycling but no one was interested. So I am not adverse to the general idea but all this green/save the planet stuff has just gone too far now. Lets smile though...checkout Youtube/George Carlin/ Save the Planet.

I will be forfeiting the 'incentive' and console myself with the fact that I am saving €25 per week using the new LocalLink bus service twice a week instead of my car which more than compensates for it. So thank you Eaman Ryan for that anyway.

Happy recycling everyone. 😉

Yes, five different types of waste!

Well the theory is that you're going back to the supermarket in any case for next week's shop so you return it then.

The theory ignores the increasing number of people who get deliveries. And for people who shop only in small local shops who are exempt for returns - then they are being pushed now to go to a large supermarket for the return. This could lead to some people switching where they shop, to a more distant supermarket that has an RVM.

My can crusher that Ive been using for several years will be redundant in a few days when this pain in the balls begins. Has anyone seen cheap plastic crates for sale that are designed to hold 24 empty cans?