Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

The IMF predict the inflation rate for Ireland:

• 2024: 3%
• 2025: 2%
• 2026: Not given but a fair assumption would be 2% or 2.5%.

The deal is 9.25% or 10.25% depending on the local clause. I expect I will get the additional 1%.

Predicted inflation over the course of the deal is therefore 6%. That means its predicted I'll "gain back" 3.25% or 4.25%. Coupling that with the budget adjustments where my net pay increased 1.75%, its predicted I'm there or thereabouts with inflation over this deal. The more I look at it, the more reasonable it seems.

https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/IRL

If you don't go with the IMF predictions, what do you go with? (I'm sure the government have their own that are similar). Of course, if China invades Taiwan or Trump gets reelected, we've no idea what will happen with inflation etc.

I don't think sectoral bargaining is a sham but the Unions could have been clearer that its 9.25% and not 10.25%. Even SIPTUs email got it wrong.

We'd all prefer 2 years but 2.5 is reasonable. The deal is front loaded which is reasonable. Couple it with the budgetary measures (and I know plenty on this thread will say they're irrelevant). It's there or thereabouts matching inflation. I think anyone who says its a "terrible deal" or "piss poor" deal wouldn't accept anything.

What are those on equivalent salaries in the PS getting? More than 3.5%.

Lower paid workers get a higher percentage.

But you're comparing very low paid people on job seekers to those earning over 50k. There was a massive narrative earlier that inflation is nonlinear and lower paid workers should get more. That applies to those on welfare too, no?

You're making an unfair comparison. What is the percentage increase for someone on 30k for example? You're ignoring the budgetary adjustments for those over 50k too.

In the same way Salonfire cherry picks figures, you are too.

It still likely makes your point but shows a closer agreement.

It is a FACT that those on 49K or less get a higher percentage.

What about the budgetary measures? Those on JBA don't see the benefit of that. I'm up 1.75% net. That's a FACT.

Only two of the three minor increases in 2024 allow for a "whichever is greater" clause. The reason why such clauses are introduced is to try and keep appallingly paid decent and hardworking staff in the public sector. Each person in such a category has a different circumstance as it is dependent on their wage. So the generality is taken - that is a 3.3% pay rise.

Budgetary measures are totally irrelevant and completely independent of the fact that FF/FG gave jobseekers a better increase than public servants in 2024.

You're just making up stats now. Perhaps one of the reasons why budgetary measures such as changes in tax etc . . . do not apply to jobseekers is because they don't have jobs? Have you considered that?

Exactly. They don't have jobs and yet get a bigger increase in money . No one's mentioning the double payments they received last month and again this week. I didn't get a double payment,never mind 2.

I'd like to have 5% this year up front.

Since when are January double payments a thing? Public servants given a 3.3% increase for 2024 whilst Jobseekers Allowance increases by 5.45%? Why have the unions accepted this? Why have they not highlighted this in the media?

It's up to members to accept. The members will decide collectively if we accept it. This will likely pass.

That 3.3% is flawed logic. I don't really get why, the actual figure wouldn't change your argument. It'd still be less than 5.45%.