The new recycling system

I wouldn't use the words you use or your rhetoric but yeah, the scheme is designed where the burden is on consumers.

I think a lot of our "recycled" goods end up in landfill or an incinerator. This scheme will eventually change that.

I don't see how you could feasibly use the current system to achieve 90%. I think this scheme will reach 90%. Easily.

Germany has a 98% return rate. We rolling out an equivalent system. 90+% is plausible for this scheme.

@Archeron my understanding is aluminium cans were included in the scheme as they needed more volume / deposits into the scheme to pay for it all... the staff collecting, van runs, the rvms etc

You reckon the journal.ie is a fair sample?

i'd rather vote on this DRS scheme than vote for any parties tbh

The CEO of ReTurn said it on the Claire Byrne show. You'll find the recording on RTE.

Is it documented anywhere in text or was it one of these things that were stated on the fly in an interview? Like a lot of what this scheme seems to be(poorly planned).

I have not seen it anywhere in text. The first i heard of it was from the CEO but he briefly spoke about the viability of a plant and how it would only really make sense now.

L1011 has other info there i don't know about.

I assume they wouldnt have the ability to deal with the volume from this scheme? I assume we don't have a plant or enough plants to process this stuff ourselves?

I don't know much about what facilities we have or need tbh.

i'm attempting to point out how the buisnuess side of "green echo friendly" is kinda shady and not genuinely ever in best interests or concerns of the environment and usually their participation is PR stunt at best.

You get the same lark and kind of carry on all the time in businuess where they pretend to be pro-green or pro whatever for PR reasons, but then their actions show they're just doing this to pander to people who are into that sort of thing, and to look good in their eyes. you even get it mentioned as a selling point on things like dragons den.

Business Example: less materials on/for packaging = pro green and better for environment. real reason = because its cheaper or more profit made from it. And appeals to people into that sort of thing.

this shows more that its really pro money over being pro-green.

Right I'm prepared to predict this new RVM system will be declared a failure within a year. That it's not going to be used on a consistent basis with the numbers that are required.

That many people won't be arsed for the sake of a few cents. Those on the street or in the car who tossed before will continue to toss them. Those with collection bins will just keep using them. That kids won't be bothered to collect in any general sense.

We'll likely see the goalposts shifted then of course and ReTurn declared a success on the basis that it's contributing something even if not the full quota and that it'll take 10, 15, 20 years to change culture blah blah.

CEO was quoted in this article. Details are sketchy, likely to be some years away. I copied the relevant quote, the full article is paywalled.

"Another development coming down the tracks will see Ireland taking care of its own recycling needs. In times past, we shipped much of our plastic and aluminium to Asia, where it was supposedly recycled. We say supposedly because much of the material was not properly handled. In more recent times, our recyclable rubbish has had to stay within the EU, but in a few years we will be recycling it ourselves, Foley says.

A local plant needs about 15,000 tonnes of plastics each year to make it viable and the new scheme should more than meet that level – so a tendering process is coming for an indigenous plant. “Once that’s built it means producers will be getting their product, putting it on the market, it will be recycled, and the same producers will then buy that material again – it’s the circular economy and that’ll be a big win for Ireland.”

Im prepared to predict Ireland will achieve a 90+% collection rate by 2029 as per the schemes targets.

Quote me if I'm wrong.

yeah but thats a 5 year quote in the making, he would have to bookmark this page or screenshot the comment in that case.

But reasonably, how can they expect no more than 1 in 10 cans to not be returned? if 10 families buy cans of drink, but if only even 2 decide not to bring their cans back to the RVM, then achieving 90% is an impossibility. needs 9 out of 10 participation to reach 90%

also take into account other factors too like damage

Do we really have to allow some kind of Irish exceptionalism to hold us back ?

We're not all that far behind.