Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

What are you going to spin about next?

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Irish people will naturally identify with the oppressed people. Simple as that. You need to accept that and live with it.

Espousing your love of the stereotypical ideals of the people of the Sandy Row is not a good look.

UNRWA has 30000 employees, 13000 in Gaza. 12 are accused of involvement in 7/10, and all 12 have been dismissed, 1 I think is dead? But action has been taken to ensure that they are identified and have been separated from UNRWA.

Whilst you are beating your chest about Ireland continuing to support UNRWA? There are a few questions worth asking. Why was this news, which was known by Israel & the UN in New York not published prior to the ICJ ruling?

Currently 2 million Gazans are at risk of famine without the continued support of UNRWA. Israeli people seeking the release of the remaining hostages have undertaken a blockade of aid crossings at Keret Shalom. Proposing to starve 2 million Gazans, impose scarcity and cause wholesale suffering upon a people, the vast, vast majority of whom had nothing whatsoever to do with 7/10.

There's rarely anything moral or black & white in the middle east. That said? Complaining that Ireland continues to support UNRWA? That the effort to abate humanitarian disaster precipitated by 7/10 and Israel's response? The 70% destruction of housing, the bombing of almost every hospital, school and even places of worship, Muslim and christian is wrong? Is a curious position to take. UNRWA has issues yes, they can be addressed after everyone displaced by Israeli action in Gaza is assured of shelter and sustenance. Not in the midst of a continuing Israeli barrage.

It is a stated aim of some in Israel's Zionist/Settler parties to destroy UNRWA.

If Irish government support for an agency that is the means of support for the vast majority of 2 million Gazans? Means you don't feel welcome here? That's an issue for you, not the Irish government to resolve. I won't tell you leave, I'd like to think I'm a better neighbour than that.

No news (yet) on the criminal complaints against Isaac Herzog in Davos.

Source: Haaretz (paywall)

"The Israeli political leadership, from the prime minister all the way to the person he appointed to coordinate hostage negotiations, has conducted itself in a disgraceful manner, focused more on photo-ops and gaslighting the hostages' families than on a disciplined, effective campaign" - Daniel Levin

• The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry said at least 26,637 Palestinians have been killed since the war began.
• Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said that about half of Hamas' militants in Gaza have been killed or wounded, but the battle against the rest will continue for months.

As reported in this thread earlier:

• Thousands of Israelis, including Netanyahu government ministers, attended a far-right conference in Jerusalem on Sunday night calling for the establishment of Jewish settlements in Gaza and the transfer, or expulsion, of Palestinians. Far-right ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir were key speakers.
• Ben-Gvir reiterated his support for encouraging the voluntary emigration of Palestinians out of Gaza as "the most moral and logical solution." Likud communications minister Shlomo Karhi said that "voluntary" emigration may need to become forcible expulsion.
• War cabinet minister Benny Gantz said the conference "harmed Israeli society during wartime, harmed our legitimacy in the world, harmed efforts to return our hostages" and referring to PM Netanyahu said "he who is silent and is dragged along – is not a leader."
• Gallant told U.S. officials that he will not allow the rebuilding of Israeli settlements inside the Gaza Strip, according to Axios.
• The German Foreign Ministry said it rejected any consideration of Israeli resettlement of Gaza and the transfer of the Palestinian population.

• Four Israeli settlers were arrested on suspicion of assaulting truck drivers delivering aid to Gaza.
• Israel's President Isaac Herzog accused the International Court of Justice of misrepresenting his words in its ruling that ordered Israel to implement measures for the protection of Palestinians and prevention of genocide in the Gaza Strip.
• The Palestinian Health Ministry reported that five Palestinians were killed in four separate clashes with the IDF amid raids across the West Bank throughout Monday.

They've never identified much with oppressed Jewish people though - wouldn't let them into the country when they were fleeing Hitler, for instance.

Funny, that.

No, the brown implying racist thing.

Grow up.

“close to the bone” might have been how you phrased it last time. It just a bit boring tbh. At least other posters have real arguments and don’t make up stuff about racism.

I just think name calling and blaming everything on racism is weak.

I'd suggest that if you don't like your inconsistencies being pointed out to you then be more careful when you make them.

What the UAE or Saudi Arabia give or don't give is of no consequence to Ireland or any other country. Nor should it be. If you can give us a reason why it should be, then fire ahead. You've told us it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion, so tell us why their actions should be informing ours?

Might it be your case that Saudi and UAE are the global leaders on human rights and that we should always follow their lead?

How many times have posters on here (perhaps even yourself) posted to the effect that the fact that other countries won't "take in" Palestinians as "proof" that Palestinians are (at best) undesirables and therefore less deserving of help.

Would you apply that same logic to the case of Jews fleeing Germany in the 30's and 40's? Or would that be another one of those selective inconsistencies that appear to be quite common among posters on these threads - the fact that Egypt won't take in 2m Gazans en-masse is somehow proof that Palestinians are inherently undesirable but the fact the Ireland wouldn't take in Jewish people 80+ years ago is somehow proof that Irish are racist today. We can't, of course, flip those to say that the reason that Egypt won't take in 2m Palestinians is that they are racist and the reason that Ireland wouldn't take in Jewish people is that they are inherently undesirable. This is why I find such logical inconsistencies to be fascinating. Because the person posting them has obviously convinced themselves that the dissonance doesn't exist.

Given that you already have to reach back over 80 years to try to score some stupid point, why not go the whole hog and point out that there were no Jews in Ireland under Brian Boru.

It’s nothing to do with “brown” as you well know.

They are in the region, some have vast wealth and influence and aren’t a bit shy about criticising Israel etc. How many refugees do SA, Iran and other neighbouring countries etc take in? Why do you think Iran didn’t want the SA/Israel deal to go ahead?

Your bringing up the race thing over and over is still very boring and weak but overheal is a fan so.

Stick to eating taytos instead of making assumptions on what I do or don't support.