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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • #2902
    Niall_76
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    I thought the front looked terrible. But from memory their 2 houses weren’t the same as the ones beside them and also Dermot mentioned bringing the extension out to the same level as the neighbour’s place so they might be two reasons planning was granted for it?



  • #2903
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    Here's what the Planners thought of the front extension...


    "The proposed development of a first storey extension with gable roof above the existing side extension would generally respect the pattern of development in the area in terms of the existing building lines, roof profiles and urban form of the street. On this basis, it is considered that it would make a positive contribution to the existing streetscape."



  • #2904
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    Also for anyone concerned about Granny's access to a downstairs bathroom.. like like it was nicely accounted for in the plans at least..


    Screenshot_20240129_224623_Drive.jpg




  • #2905
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭gipi


    Did it have a gable roof? I thought it was flat on the 2nd floor?

    And they removed the existing single floor extension rather than extending upwards?



  • #2906
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    I think the roof detail wasn't clear from the camera angles, but it looked like it had a slightly recessed roof to avoid an overhang.. so not flat..


    Screenshot_20240129_225417_Drive.jpg




  • #2907
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692648#Comment_121692648

    Would be good to see the wider area.

    While I think it looked unresolved I’ have no love for the existing architecture. That style of house is so unoriginal and bland.



  • #2908
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭gipi


    Thanks @spockety, all I could see was a box attached to the side of the house!



  • #2909
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    Also on the costs.. I was stunned.. but from the plans it looks like a demolition of 46 sq metres, complete retrofit of 76 sq metres (including a new roof), plus 114 sq metres of new build for a combined total 190 sq metres..

    So 600k is explainable.. everyone can have their own opinion on whether you'd invest that in that project in that location.



  • #2910
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,600 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121691023#Comment_121691023

    If you're talking about medical judgements, that's an entirely different story. She didn't get where she is today in a male dominated sector by faffing around with red herrings when she needs someone to do something.



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  • #2911
    GolfPar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭GolfPar


    Final granting of planning was only at the start of August last year. Tight schedule to get it all turned around so quickly.



  • #2912
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121688866#Comment_121688866

    Not very. We had a scene where the house was gutted, lots of decisions were not being made and the builder was complaining that he had an impossible amount of work to do in 7 weeks. A minute later Dermot was walking up the street to the finished house. Something happened that meant they decided to cut possibly the most interesting part of the build.



  • #2913
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692709#Comment_121692709

    Thanks for that, but I would lve to know how come he got away with building something different to what is on that Bannon drawing above in your post?

    For example, The window of the extension in the drawing above - the only perforation in that wall, which is the front wall of the house and facing the road / closest to the road - is square and the exact same size and proportions as the other three upstairs windows.

    Was was built is a tall narrow window, at least 3 times tall as it is wide, totally out of keeping with the rest of the streetscape.

    https://cococontent.ie/episode4-santry-room-to-improve-series-15

    Also, from the drawing, you would think there is a pitched roof on the front extension, to match all the other houses in the area. Instead all that is visible from the road is a box, like two shipping containers, one on top of the other, painted up. From the photos and from the tv programme, no pitched roof is visible on that front extension, it just looks like a flat roofed box joined on to the house like a carbuncle. Even from the most sympathetic angle the tv company could photo it from ( sideways on, and from behind a few branches ), it still looks pathetic and hideous. No wonder everyone hates it. Let us hope it does not set a precedent for other FRONT extensions in housing estates.



  • #2914
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Actually, I didn't see this view on the programme.

    I quite like that and can see the planners argument now.

    hous.png




  • #2915
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭gipi


    That's the kind of view I remember - no sloping roof visible there, it just looks like a large box tacked onto the side of the house.



  • #2916
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693891#Comment_121693891

    It slopes back to the main roof



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  • #2917
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693943#Comment_121693943

    Do you have a link /photo ? Because all anyone else can see is a box.

    From the front elevation it looks worse than in the photo above, because you do not see the brick on the side of the extension then, or even the front door.

    And should not the window have matched the planning drawings, instead of being completely different shape?



  • #2918
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694028#Comment_121694028

    It's not a court of law Francis. 😁


    The porch comes out from the main wall at 90 degrees,(blue line) but the roofline doesn't seem to, (red line) indicating a slope.

    Secondly, if you drop a line from the front point of the wall (green) and the back(yellow)

    they are different lengths, indicating a slope.

    As I say, there may be distortion but that is how it looks to me. If the line was straight it would be parallel to the porch line.

    hous.png

    Re: Window, as stated by industry pro's here, changes like that can be made and retentions sought. Works much better for me as a rectangle.



  • #2919
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693759#Comment_121693759

    The relationship was broken, apparently...

    ...

    Then we see how pleased the couple are with Dermot and their new house.

    Not everything is a Soap Opera



  • #2920
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694206#Comment_121694206

    That in fairness, is ugly.

    If they got planning for that, I would be amazed.



  • #2921
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694274#Comment_121694274

    They did.

    Planning comments are posted above and from that angle I agree with them.

    I think when planting and newness wears off that is not as bad as it first looked and I have to say the laths are growing on me bigtime.



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  • #2922
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694206#Comment_121694206

    I would bet the green and the yellow are equal distance, because that is how perspective works.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3n5wbb0K4k

    https://www.johnlovett.com/perspective-drawing


    In any case, it is different to the drawing submitted for planning permission, which someone else posted yesterday evening.

    So Dermot Bannon did not comply with planning permission for the front extension? I suppose he can apply for retention planning permission, says you.


    The TV company was quite clever to wait until frost /snow to photo it, so it blends in to the ground and wall in the foreground more. And do not forget, from the front, you do not see the red-brick on the side of the extension, or the front door. See the initial bit of video on Room to Improve showing the outside. Vile as other poster on this thread called it.



  • #2923
    hole in my lovelywall
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭hole in my lovelywall


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121687454#Comment_121687454


    I loved the idea of the bike shed/storage at the front with the hidden door.

    Very impressed with the builder.

    Post edited by hole in my lovelywall on


  • #2924
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694403#Comment_121694403

    The TV company was quite clever to wait until snow to photo it, so it blends in to the ground and wall in the foreground more.

    Jaysus Francis, that is just bizarre.

    What a fabulous conspiracy theorist you are, 😁😁



  • #2925
    chooseusername
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694435#Comment_121694435

    Almost as bizarre as thinking the front wall of the extension is sloping.

    The pitched roof of the extension is stepped back and a parapet gutter hides the roof from the ground.

    Here you are;


    bannon.jpg


    Edit;

    Just looked again, it seems you think it's the roof that's sloping, still bizarre!

    Post edited by chooseusername on


  • #2926
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694435#Comment_121694435

    Not a conspiracy theorist. Just noting that you are looking at a photo taken by the TV company in the best possible conditions (snow/frost) from the best possible angle. So you think the front extension is OK.

    About a dozen other posters on this thread before you, who saw the footage on the TV on Sunday night, took time out to saty that front extension is "Vile", that if they were a neighbour they would be "bulling" at how it turned out etc.

    The photo shows the roof and window are a lot different to what Bannon submitted planning permission for, so do you think Bannon will have to apply for retention planning permission yet again? What if he is refused, like some people are?



  • #2927
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692709#Comment_121692709

    Click on that link above, this is what the front extension should have looked like. Note the very different window shape and roof shape?



  • #2928
    Tow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭Tow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694689#Comment_121694689

    Brannon has a direct line to 'de powers that be', so it will not be an issue.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • #2929
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    20240130_131401.jpg


    There's a shot that hints at the roof detail. Not flat, but not identical to the original plans.



  • #2930
    Tow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭Tow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694762#Comment_121694762

    The plans show the 'Box' going up the gutter, not 5 rows of tiles higher. I'll say nothing about the window difference.

    Screenshot_2024-01-30-13-17-51-511_com.brave.browser-edit.jpg


    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • #2931
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694689#Comment_121694689

    And you implied they took it to fool people. Bizarre.

    I couldn't care less what 'other posters say' I make my own mind up and am not led by others.


    We have been told by industry professional that 'retention' is commonly used when changes are needed in an ongoing build. If Bannon did this then he did nothing wrong.

    What the hell does it matter to me or even you if he applies for retention or not? If somebody objects, let them.



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  • #2932
    chooseusername
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694789#Comment_121694789

    I would say that's a bigger issue than the window, it makes the front of the house look completely different.

    It looks like the plan had a gutter in line with, and matching the original house, and it would have looked worse if the parapet was built on the side only to avoid the overhang at the boundary. I don't understand why that parapet has to be so high.



  • #2933
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694884#Comment_121694884

    Agree. If you compare the photo / drawing in post number 2929 and 2930 above, you will see that what was built is considerably uglier and different to what planning permission was granted for. The white rectangle (above the wood) is much much larger / higher.

    The window is also considerably different. Why did he change that compared to what planning was granted for?



  • #2934
    event
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭event


    Why do you care that what was built isnt the same as the planning permission? Will you go on this crusade on every single house in the country thats in the same boat?



  • #2935
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121694263#Comment_121694263

    They didn't show the last 7 weeks of the build. The body language initially as they toured the house seemed very bad. That's when I first posted. When they appeared more friendly I put an update on my post.

    A day later you come in and make a snarky comment as usual about the first half of my post completely ignoring my addition where I admitted it was better.

    I'm not engaging with you any more. Go look for your argument fix somewhere else.



  • #2936
    Feets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭Feets


    Totally disagree to the comment on spending too much money, if you have the money and the house is in a perfect location then why not. You get the house u want. Everyone has different budgets and value systems.



  • #2937
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Two possible spinoff shows for the producers to consider:

    1. RTI - the detail

    2. RTI - Francie and Francis go at it



  • #2938
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,840 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Curious why they only ended up with a b3 ber rating.



  • #2939
    lmk123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697547#Comment_121697547

    Number 2 has been ongoing for weeks at this stage, painful s***e, my god they’ve a lot of time put into repeating the same rubbish to each other



  • #2940
    chooseusername
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697655#Comment_121697655

    I reckon it's it's the same person.



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  • #2941
    lmk123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697672#Comment_121697672

    Ya I think the same, it’s hardly possible that 2 people would have that much time on their hands or that little else going on in their lives, if you heard teenagers at that rubbish you’d give them a kick up the a**e



  • #2942
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697564#Comment_121697564

    thats the part that i dont understand. 600K+ and its only b3 . surely upping that as high as posible would have made financial sense. they dont seem short of money . another 30k maybe could have got a2 .



  • #2943
    Niall_76
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693759#Comment_121693759

    For whatever the reasons it was a real pain. Builder looking for decisions cause of the tight build and it was almost like the camera panned up from him to the finished house..



  • #2944
    rowantree18
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭rowantree18


    I personally don't get it. I know the area well, absolutely nothing wrong with it but it's full on suburbia - thousands of replica houses in estates like Shanard, Shanowen, melting into Lorcan and Shantalla. They basically all merge. There's a row of shops here and there (chipper, newsagents) but nothing aesthetically pleasing anywhere. No village atmosphere. Just house upon house.

    Like, I suspect, most people, I'd use the million or so to buy a nice house in Malahide, Howth, Sutton, Greystones, Dalkey etc. and start fresh. But - each to their own. Her money, her call. I'm in medicine myself, she'd be known as brilliant but slightly......tricky.



  • #2945
    thereiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭thereiver


    She's on a high wage she can afford to spend 400,k plus to upgrade the house to a larger dwelling I think she wants to stay close to her family I agree she could spend the money to buy a house in a more upmarket area

    I presume she also wants to be close to the hospital she works in eg not increase commuting time also I presume the new build will be more energy efficient

    Still it's a nice quiet area to live in



  • #2946
    waterwelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    448a2236-3bf4-4f75-9089-e95db039f958_l.jpg

    This house was recently sold around the corner. Internally it was also very dated.

    To sell the old house, buy this one and redevelop it, would have yielded a vastly superior home in the same area.

    I think they said the kid was 8, in a few years his days of playing on the green will have passed.



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  • #2947
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697564#Comment_121697564

    Was that said in the programme? If they got 26k of SEAI grants, as was indicated, they would have needed a minimum B2.



  • #2948
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,840 ✭✭✭micks_address


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698766#Comment_121698766

    They mentioned it alright, might have been B2, just thought it odd with such a spend they couldn't get to A rating. They had a heat pump in the garden. I'd have assumed everything was insulated.. just checked it was b2

    Post edited by micks_address on


  • #2949
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698053#Comment_121698053

    I personally don't get it. I know the area well, absolutely nothing wrong with it but it's full on suburbia - thousands of replica houses in estates like Shanard, Shanowen, melting into Lorcan and Shantalla. They basically all merge. 

    I've never understood that about suburbs anywhere. How more people don't put their own stamp on these replica houses. I'd hate estate living tbh.



  • #2950
    Francis McM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121699200#Comment_121699200

    Many would think if you want a large "statement" extension, it would not look so out of place at the back of a building or anywhere other than the front of a house in a semi-d estate. But everyone is different: some people like large scale monuments in a graveyard for example, others do not.

    I think we can agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it is a good job we are all different. I like many aspects of the inside and back of the houses he does, letting light in etc. Interesting to watch.



  • #2951
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,435 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121701506#Comment_121701506

    I think we can agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder 

    By George I think you've got it.



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