The new recycling system

I dunno what your problem is. If you don't wanna believe it, don't.

Some of the silliest thing i'd have to say i came across on this thread would have to be: people saying random petty stuff like trying to return slightly modified cans to the RVM machine is gonna get you sent to jail and is fraud, and that to do your neighbor a favor and bring their recycles to the nearest RVM for them would require a waste collection permit and registering your vehicle for a waste management license. Some stuff is really out there. Hardly jail worthy, petty crime or a fine at most. Some are taking creative alternatives far too serious in a biased way without offering any solution or alternative themself.

The biggest thing that still baffles me about this scheme is how do re-turn expect to reach a 90% return rate when less than 80% of the people buying the cans is even going to participate? it really does not make sense and is an unrealistic goal

Re-Turn should go back to the drawing board with that one, and come up with something less stingy/mean with the money. Their goal can be easier to reach if they allowed all soda cans, instead of trying to gate keep with getting manufacters to registering with them. Re-turn should be government funded, goverment should pay us for our cans, or someone. Damaged cans should be accepted too. accept all cans, pay for cans. Pay to play. They want to achieve their desired goals and target recycling results free of charge. Hilarious. The people wanting us to reach 90% are really self entitled to be demanding free help to get their job done.

Well if i buy bottles and cans and pay the extra I will look for a return shop to feed the machine and get my voucher.

+ I have been informed Rejects can be brought into store for HUMAN checking.

I cannot afford just to dump them.

i think these schemes work well in other countries certainly on holiday in holland years ago, people just brought the bottles back to the shop machines for a refund. personally, prevention is better than cure, i bought a large 7 litre water filter years ago, 50 quid a year for new filters and we probably drink and use 10 to 14 litres a day. As for fizzy drinks we dont really bother, ive a soda stream here somewhere so ill probably dig that out. i am really a believer in reducing packaging at source, and shops and manufacturers should have to do that. Convenience for them is filling the world with one use packaging, and dont get me started on plastic toys held in plastic boxes with plastic clips..... grrrr

Im more interested in upfront cost and inconvenience to the consumer. I suspect we'll be elbowing other countries out the way on that front.

I think the inconvenience has been shoved onto the consumers. There is no actual incentive for consumers to return - it is a stick to get their deposits back to break even. Doesn't matter how much you recycle. Whereas large scale operators of RVMs the scheme is setup for them to make money on it. This does not seem like a fair balance. Small scale operators have to put up with the hassle of manual returns or operating RVMS at a loss \ breakeven. Exempt operators have to see their customers go to competitors to reclaim the deposit.

While everyone will say - "but Germany", it is not a like for like situation. The German scheme was their first, and still only, way to recycle plastic bottles. Their mother tongue, to coign a phrase, is the pfand system. They went from not recycling plastic to this solution, and have stuck with it.

In Ireland, we are starting a very different place to Germany, we have 20 years kerbside collection for plastic, an entire industry has been created and allowed grow for both recycling and waste management, and we have been reasonably successful in that.

When we agreed to better collection rates from the EU (something that is good), we did not agree to, nor were we directed to use any specific method to achieve it. But instead of trying to find a way to build on the kerbside collection and recycling - something we ultimately have to do anyway [for all other waste streams] - we instead "copied Germany".

We are adopting a course of action that was correct 20 years ago, but is not a solution that will address coming challenges we face today.

And therein lies another issue, we'll always have people who believe everything the system sprouts and instantly jump in its defense and nearly defend it with their life lol. You critique it or point out obvious clear flaws they fail to see, or even offer ways to fix/help the scheme and they go nuts!

Yes, its a win-win for them, but not for the consumer, consumer only breaks even at best and is told to bite the bullet in choosing the between the lesser of 2 evils. Really unfair scheme from the get-go.

As for their way of measurement in terms of success, they're using the reports from the RVM machines and data on comparing number of deposits returned vs deposits sold.

But what puzzles me is: how can they expect to reach atleast 9/10 aka 90%, if more than every 1 out of 10 people decide to continue recycling the old fashioned way, or boycott, or whatever. achieving 90% then becomes an impossibility.

Lots of posters including myself have acknowledged the element of inconvenience involved in the system.

How could it not be more inconvenient to take your empties to an RVM rather than put them in a bin outside the back door ?

What is a bit unbelievable is that anyone comes onto a discussion forum and is surprised to find discussion.

Bloody hell lads, some rubbish being spouted here. The scheme is very simple and being complicated by cranks here.

People saying "i will not participate"? How, will you stop buying the products with a deposit on them?

Will you stand at the till and refuse to pay the deposit?

Or will simply just throw your own money away and not return them?

Also other posters complaining but don't realise the scheme will capture extra items not currently included with private recycling. Many people who go to local Centra and buy a drink will now return that and that will stop littering.

Same people on here now objecting probably also objected to plastic bag scheme and smoking ban both of which have benefited the country as a whole and is seen as completely normal now.

Yes but there's a lot more to it than that. I didnt just mention the inconvenience did I? But we have the minimizing and cherry picking of things.

But yes that is all part of discussion. Or are you a mod on this forum now who decides what is and isnt discussion? If so I wholeheartedly apologise.

they will if covid comes back lol. remember them hand washing stations and soup dispensor yokes at the enterances?

i really miss those little bins that came with them

No one is complicating the scheme here, we're only complaining about it seeing as we never had our fair chance at complaining during the consultation phase since they kept it hush hush and did'nt properly inform he public of their chance to object/give feedback.

Regarding participate and people saying they won't partake simply means they're not gonna feed the RVM and will bite the bullet in losing their deposit.

If one stops buying products that have deposits on them, then that is a boycott.

As for "capturing extra items" its losing more items by the people who firmly stand against partaking and insist on home recycling, aswell as damaged cans being unreturnable anyway. its losing more than its gaining, items wise.

If more than 1 in 10 people refuse to bring their recycleables to the RVM's, how is it possible for us to then reach a goal of 90%? please tell me the answer to this, i'd genuinely like to know

The big problem with the scheme as setup here is no, you won't just be able to return your can or bottle to Centra (i.e. your local convenience store). These almost all have exemptions. You'll have to hold onto it, keep it intact, and bring it to an RVM to get back your deposit. There will be a non-zero number of people who don't bother.

Another gap is also no mechanism yet for handling deliveries.