The new recycling system

No you can exchange your voucher for cash in that store without making a purchase.

Far easier way to boost recycling rates would have been the addition of public recycling bins - many local authorities only have general waste public bins on high streets, adding recycling bins means people will put PET bottles and cans in those rather than general waste

Think of all the public drinking that goes on in summer, and then where they put the empty cans - nobody is taking them home, or to a retailer - they are putting them in public bins. And will continue to in spite of this scheme.

yes that is correct, you have to redeem the voucher in the same store. You can redeem the voucher for cash and then choose to spend that cash anywhere you like, or save it.

That will be a problem for some.

However most don't do all their shopping in a convenience store so they will hold on to the empties until they visit an RVM shop.

There will be some who don't bother but I don't think there will be too many. See other post above.

On the deliveries, I posted a couple of weeks ago about a potential solution offering an opening for Independent stores ie. Super Valu.

The driver could accept the empties in a clear plastic bag and bring them back to the shop in the cab of the van away from the food in the rear.

Put them in the RVM and credit the customer on the next order.

A bit convoluted but workable and useful for elderly or disabled customers.

Could also give the shop a USP over Tesco who have said they won't take empties.

The scheme needs to get to 90% so the 'some' are a problem for that target. 'Most' people may already be recycling the items in their green bins, for all we know.

And it's not just the person picking up a bottle of coke on the go. There is a cohort of people who shop in small local shops, rural and suburban villages where the shops won't be big enough for RVM. More than just a corner shop, a large convenience store. Lot of them shop on foot.

Something like that would be needed for deliveries, but the question is whether the shops will actually do it. No indications so far.

very true! and also if anyone wants to counter the whole hands/washing/germs thing. they could easily just wear a pair of material gloves (not disposible ones) and just always use those for when going out doors into shops and touching things and money and handles with, and take them off once they come home. no need for hand washing then

I have said many times that I will not be participating. Call me a crank ;)

Just to clarify - By not participating I mean I intend to not ever purchase a product that is part of this scheme.  This is different to someone who will continue to buy what they used to, pay the deposit and then not bothering to claim back the deposit.

I've outlined how I will do this previously, its a mix of moving to larger volume containers, buying containers outside the scheme (i.e. glass), reducing plastic (using sodastream, for example), and importing anything else I need in bulk from NI (while doing so there without deposit is an option).  Anything recycleable I will continue to put in the bin outside my house.

What I am doing is better for the environment than the false sense of good you get from putting a single use plastic at an RVM.

Basically you mean boycotting the items that have the return logo on them, in a nutshell. i want more people like you please. People like you do more good for the enrivoment, than these other consumers who are still buying packaging and drinks that are bad for enviromentals.

Hitting them in their pockets is the best thing anyone can do, sadly those who don't return their cans lose their deposit, and those that do return them only break even at best, loss of money or loss of time for the consumer, but a win-win for return.

The only winning move is not to play, aka not paying a deposit to begin with. good on you my son, go on my son! <3

I know you didnt mention my story. You cherry picked. Its ok. No rules against that.

What you also did was try to tell me I shouldnt post because 1 aspect of my comment has been covered here before. Now you wiesel trying to say you didnt.

Ok Mr Mod man.

We'll wait and see if we get a comparison of how the scheme is administered (not just the inconvenience of it) between countries and see if my Paddy story holds up. I'll come back to you then. And I'll include any inconvenience commentary I wish to. Again. And anything else I wish to cover thats already been covered....... again.

every cloud has a silver lining and with this scheme i would like to sell that silver lining for scrap metal LOL!

i'm trying to think of some ways to make money off of this scheme, the way i see it is "if the scheme sucks, and they won't give us any money/profit, its up to us to figure out how to profit off of it ourselves, and why not anyway? if there's a will there's a way, and if there's an opportunity its maybe worth looking into. 15c cent a piece (cans) or 25c cent (bottles) might seem really petty and not worth looking into at such a small price, but its the number of units returned that counts.

Lets say someone brings back just 4 bottles, thats €1!, x10 it. 40 bottles is a free tenner. if theres a way to better organize collection, or some local thing, or money on the side side hustle idea, it might be worth thinking about if there's stuff being collected from like 5 or more houses.

obviously not enough to make a living, but its a nice bit of extra money on the side. a small nice little pocket change

LOVELY JUBBLY! *thats for that information. The "Rejects can be brought to counter to recheck he said" thing, opens up a whole new door of opertunity. Golden opertunity prefferably. any idea how they will recheck these rejects? could be visual inspection, or a handheld scanner thingy i imagine. i hope its just a lazy headcount of the tins XD

EDIT: *thanks for the information i meant to say

exactly! you know it makes sense. After all he-who-dares, wins!

Thanks for this information. Also regarding that last part at the end "Please note, your Re-Turn deposit cannot be used to reach the spend threshold of our €10 off €50 and €5 off €25 vouchers" a person can easily swap the vouchers for cash, and use that cash to reach the threshhold of the €10 off €50 and €5 off €25 vouchers.

No, I think it means when you are totalling up your spend, you need to spend €50 in store to get €10 back. The deposits don't count towards that €50 spend. That will catch people out. Balls.

Products must have the logo on the side for a refund. Retailers are getting new barcodes for the updated products. A few companies such as VIT HIT have already started sending out new products to stores. Products without the re-turn logo should remain the same price and it is up to the retailer to manage how the transition happens. In our shop, we will sell the old stuff, and once that is gone replace it with the re-turn marked products that contain a new barcode. The price will go up 15c for the re-turn items only.