The new recycling system

Yeah, I'd had a complete mental block on what exactly the new logo looked like and the chap behind the counter pointed confidently at the old recyclable triangle which I 100% knew wasn't it anyway! So with me not sure and him saying all cans had gone up, I reckoned I was likely just going to be down 20c a can.

Looking at the actual Return Logo on the official website now, I'm pretty sure it wasn't on the cans. So good decision.

I think retailers are supposed to display the DRS separate to the price, both on the shelf and on your receipt. Not a case that they just up the price on 1 Feb as that off licence seems to be doing.

Here's what Lidl pricing will look like, am sure all retailers will be similar.

@jj880 mine are a fixed cost, i.e. not by pick up. I think there is a weight limit on the general bin, I don't think it has ever applied to me though, so effectively my bins cost a fixed amount per annum.

When is it starting?

2 days.

One could say it really is a soft launch.

Scrap that. What @odyssey06 posted made more sense. I'll have to spend €50 plus the deposit to qualify for a voucher.

That's exactly how it will look for all retailers operating under a group. Our shop is independent but operates under the BWG group. On our receipts the levy will be highlighted under the product.

Gave me a good laugh, thanks.

I think you're getting confused, the voucher can be used to pay for your shopping, what dunnes are saying is the deposit can't be used to add up to the threshold.

So, for example, if you bought 20 qualifying products for €1.25 (€1+0.25) each you'd get to €25 but you wouldn't get a 5 of 25 voucher because in the eyes of dunnes you'd only have bought €20 worth of goods off them. If you bought 25 products you'd pay €31.25 (25+6.25) and would get your voucher... That's all they're saying

The situation you were worried about won't happen... If you brought back 100 qualifying products, got a €25 voucher and bought 25 loaves of €1 bread you'd be able to pay for that with the DRS voucher from the machine - and get a 5 off 25 voucher

ttps://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,width=1600/https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/58FUR8HJUMFZ/img-20240130-142602.jpg

This is not America, they should not be allow quote other than the cost of the product the till, this is reducing consumer protection especially if the deposit amount is in a font one fifth of the size. They should state Water €1.04 incuding 25c deposit. I would be very disappointed if they are allowed mislead like this.

It's an interesting point, one I've given some thought to.

I think there is limited scope to expand re-turn without adding different RVMs (and associated space). Maybe some dairy, maybe some canned food containers, maybe some household products, not much more.

Restrictions are:

- Shape (cylindrical good, boxy no good)

- Size (diameter c. 20cm or less good, larger a problem)

- Material (PET or aluminium good, anything else no)

- Barcoded (containers good, plastic wrapping etc no good)

- DRS-able (you can only DRS the item, not associated waste)

We need better recycling from home. Better segregation, less contamination, better separation etc.

Re-turn has cherry picked the easy wins & doesn't appear interested in anything else Bottles and cans meet the above but are also good yield.

I am not sure what we do with the rest of our waste, as I have said before I don't think bypassing / de-valuing the established waste collection sector with re-turn is the best idea long term.

I think shops should be allowed to display the price including the deposit and simply say "includes deposit of X" after it

Although I'd think most shops would prefer the official way as it makes their products seem cheaper

Wonder what the stock of cans/bottles is going to be like tomorrow

It'll be a soft launch. I think we have until the summer to make sure it is completely up and running. My understanding of the sel is that it will be one price with the levy included. No seperation. The guys from re-turn have been good so far. Where we have struggled is internally as an independent and also gaining clarity from the BWG group.

Dunnes FAQ states that it is not possible

On the 6th of December Ossian Smyth claimed there was at least one supermarket who would be doing it and also that glass recycling centres would have them

He anecdotal heard maybe from somebody....

He was asked the question and wasn't brave enough to say no.

So he lied.