Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

When is the final vote do we know?

Is it possible to accomodate a bus stop closer to the hospital but still pedestrianise the rest of the street, southbound from the hospital?

It seems fron your extract that the council want to bring some of that seaside footfall into the town, which makes perfect sense.

But I would say Georges St needs a few better tenants as well as attractive outdoor pedestrian space to achieve that.

It does always amaze me how many folks are down by the sea/peoples park on a sunday yet barely anyone goes up to Georges St/Shopping centres.

And why do so many of the shops close on a sunday in DL...seems crazy with the amount of potential customers.

I don't know Maisie, but you seem to be conflating a number of unrelated issues together and mixing with a fair bit of whataboutery. I mean, what do manhole covers in Carysfort Ave have to do with access to a hospital?

BTW, how did you get on with your flights over the weekend? Didn't get caught up with any of the storms?

No it’s not ideal for skateboards. The surface has to much friction

What's your problem with skateboarders Maisie?

Skateboarders and ghettoblasters...... firstly that's hilarious that you seem to still be living in the 90s, secondly whats wrong with skateboarders?

To bring life to the town you have to make the town pedestrian friendly.

Thats the point of living streets.

Myrtle Square doesnt need to be basked in sun 12 months a year to make it attractive.

Have seating installed, perhaps some weekly markets with heavy discount stall rates from DLRCC, similar to how the Peoples Park market works.

Sure, we should focus on derelict buildings also and the council should tax the hell out of those vacant properties ,but thats a seperate point and creating higher footfall through living streets will help make businesses in the area more viable anyway.

As long as cars are free to drive up and down Georges st, it will never realise its potential.

a) The Council meeting of 14th March is being talked about. A report would have to be finalised and circulated to the Members about a week beforehand.

Given the volume of submissions and the complex issues arising, it may be that the Executive struggle to make that deadline.

It is also possible that the Council members defer a decision on the project until after the election in June.

b) I don't know how it could be possible without a having a double decker bus U-turn at the cul-de-sac that would be created outside the Hospital gate, which is what the implementation of this plan would do.

c) I don't know why it amazes you, the seafront is attractive and scenic, George's Street is a shaded main street, even in the height of summer. I agree with you about better tenants, but the Council has absolutely zero control over this commercial matter, and cannot make any guarantees about it. And in case people hadn't noticed, traditional retail is dying and hospitality is undergoing its own state of flux with the cost of overheads and the falling due of warehoused debt from the pandemic period.

An attractive outdoor space has just been completed at Myrtle Square. As I said above, George's Street Lower is heavily shaded and a bit of a wind tunnel at the best of times. The shops close on Sunday because its not worth their while being open. And at the same time, this proposal only seeks to remove the bus services from the heart of the town, further segregating it from the seafront. Go figure.

In my view, the only way to increase footfall, is to continue to vastly intensify new residential development at the heart of the town, including on the Boylan Centre site, and to expedite the building of the new primary school on the old Fire Station site at George's Place.

People debate the various hammer blows which impacted activity in DL town over this last 30 years, but I personally feel that the closure of 3 Secondary Schools, 1 Primary School and 1 Senior College, did more that any other to reduce that daily footfall of students and parents and the discretionary expenditure that comes with it.

I disagree about Georges Street lower not getting sun. Is it not on a north/south aspect so sun shines directly upon it at midday? and two storey buildings do not create large shadows as sun moves around.

It isnt (Myrtle Square) a relaxing spot at the moment becsuse it is surrounded by passing traffic...

It could be relaxing and the public realm could be vastly improved, once cars are removed from Georges St.

Tesco footfall doesnt enter the equation. Tesco doesnt own the town.

They may actually benefit from increased footfall anyway, but thats besides the point.

The market is still in Peoples Park, along the Park Road aspect. It contains most of the non-food stalls.

The food stalls moved across to the library as you say. So the market is longer now, but not as compact.

I believe it is still the same size overall but the crowds have been spread.

I think the reason was so that most of the park can be given back to the public, for kids playing etc, but without losing the market itself.

Best of both worlds.

Deferral until after the June election isn't possible. The councillors have only 3 options in March, approve, amend or reject the plan, and postponing isn't an option under the legislation. If it gets rejected, it's hard to see council management having the appetite to try again for at least a decade.

No, its runs NW-SE, so even in summer the NE facing side loses sun aspect early in the day and the street is so narrow that a shadow is cast relatively early.

On the other hand though, it does make the new Square a suntrap.

It was claimed a few posts earlier in this very thread that Myrtle square never gets any sun if you had bothered to read the conversation yourself. That's the context.

There’s clean toilets in Seapoint, 40 ft, Vico and Killiney. You know the places where people swim. I imagine that DL paths has some too

Living streets is a non council budget

Just a pity there’s no baths at the baths…

No, I’m talking around the ones they put in a few years ago on the end of Sandycove Avenue East

Seriously Maise / Taxiperson, you're boring us all to death with the repetitive nature of your posts.

You'd think that you could have upped your game since you were banned the last time.

Clearly not!

Is that the reason for the hoarding and building materials at the waste ground at Booterstown that used to host the circus?

It's going to be a right jock! But that Leopardstown rd needs some re-work anyway, especially that section of what is probably the worst pair of cycle paths in Western Europe. Just as long as DLRCOCO don't see it as an opportunity to make as much of a mess as they did of Carysfort Ave with the massive cycle ramps and plastic poles everywhere; completely over the top. I'm a cyclist so I can say this without be accused of having a car-only agenda. Ha. 🚲️

No

On the topic on the proposed new underground powerlines, I note that it does not follow the route of abandoned section of the M50 ie from Sandyford thru UCD and St Helens. But interestingly it does take a circuit across the bay as the Eastern bypass was intended to do.

Neither Debenhams nor McDonalds being closed has anything to do with the apartments being built, five guys was absolutely the wrong choice for that spot, Musashi seems to be doing quite well thankfully and is quite enjoyable to visit.

Every post you make has a bang of "I don't like change and will find or make up reasons to disagree with it wherever it happens"