UK to ban disposal vapes and buying tobacco

I suppose the vape makers will just make either their vape accept an AA battery or be rechargable to get around it.

I think NZ have abandoned the policy as unworkable?

They've abandoned it as too costly on the lost tax revenue.

They'd just gone back to a right wing Government when they announced that; although its not like Sunak is even vaguely centrist let alone left wing...

Yes.

The Government there is a right wing and a very right wing party and it appears the latter wanted it gone. They may have just made up the cost excuse - far right parties do seem to latch on to smoking as a right, see UKIP.

The problem there is that you're mixing in young kids starting to vape and moving to smoking, and people who smoke and move to vaping.

The cheap disposables will be the gateway to kids vaping. Along with the marketing that's aimed at them. Both should be banned.

But at the same time for people who smoke, vaping is a great way of getting away from smoking. It is a far healthier method of getting nicotine. And before anyone jumps in with "It's not healthy" yep, nobody should be taking nicotine. But vaping is far healthier than smoking and anything that stops people from smoking should be made available to them with as few restrictions as possible.

I can say I gave up smoking for good thanks to vaping. And I can say confidently now there's no going back.

In my particular case I had no real problem giving up the cigs, without any NRT. But, whenever I drank, I went back on them.

After going through that cycle a number of times over many years I thought the best thing to do was take up vaping so when I next drank I might not go back on the cigs. It worked. I have had a real cig in the pub since after being offered one, but no, still didn't go back on them. I actually prefer the vaping.

If my lung health, not to mention the state of my teeth and gums and skin tone is not 100% back to normal, it's certainly 95%. For years now I'm hearing 'we don't know the long terms effects of vaping'. Well, I'm waiting patiently, they have been around a long time now.

I fully support the banning of nicotine in any form to teenagers. I think the obesity thing is a much bigger issue, but people don't seem to get as riled up about that. Sweets with flavours are marketed at children but the product is sugar and the problem is sugar addiction.

Increasing the age you can buy vaping stuff along with cigarettes seems to be the logical answer.

it stops people starting, but keeps it open to people who want to make the change.

Similar ideas to why Bertie was against the ban, as it lengthened lives and hence more OAPs on state pension.

40% of Mauri smoke, life expectancy much shorter than the colonialists, so the more they smoke....

The health services they get are also crap so in effect it could be viewed as genocide-light, once removed

Buy 200 cigarettes for €150. Sell them at €1 each. €50 profit every time.

It’s not through the back door at all though. Government here at least have been very open about the fact that smoking is a public health issue, that it costs the exchequer an enormous amount in terms of healthcare and lost productivity.

In saying that though, I am fairly cynical of the UK Governments motives seeing as that’s all they’ve got really, is an attempt to give the public the impression they really care about the publics health, when the NHS hasn’t just fallen apart at the seams under their governance, it’s barely functioning on life support. Introducing measures like this doesn’t actually cost them anything, and you can be guaranteed the bean counters in the Ministry of Finance have calculated how much Government might gain in political capital:

It is by no means certain that the British gov will follow thru on the original proposals for a ban either.Modifications are being discussed

Hasn’t that been done already with minimum alcohol pricing? I’ll be honest I don’t know too much about the minimum alcohol pricing, I do know that it costs the guts of €200 for a night out nowadays, and that’s not even going for dinner beforehand for soakage! 😳

Can’t blame Government for greedy publicans trying to make up for the loss of business from changing attitudes in Irish society to smoking, drinking and while they’ve not done a whole pile to tackle obesity, Pat McDonagh is doing plenty with the exorbitant price Supermacs charge now for a shìtty snackbox! 😒

when are you going to give up vaping?

31st February

Not the person to whom this question is addressed, but while not completely harmless, vaping is far less unhealthy than smoking. So moving from smoking, while still addicted to nicotine is an overall healthy move.

The vapor is mainly propylene glycol which is also used in asthma inhalers. Are you against those too?

I think if a fire alarm is set off by a vape, then they need to be redesigned as it is not smoke. Vape looks like smoke but it is actually small droplets, an aerosol of mainly propylene glycol. Cop on like yourself!

I have read a few comments here and people need to educate themselves a bit more before spouting some of the comments I read. I bought a vape in 2013 and after being a 40 a day smoker when drinking, 20-30 a day normally for over 40 years, I have not smoked since that day. My getting up in the morning went from coughing up 3 lungs to no coughing within a month. I then started to look into the actual process of making the liquid I was buying.

I purchased enough flavours and enough pharmaceutical food grade propylene glycol and vegetable glycol which I blend to the consistency I like from a company in Germany that was closing down to last me longer than I will be alive! I make my own NON nicotine liquid and my own coils for my mods, I just like the feeling and throat hit I used to get when wasting a fortune on cigarettes. I spent €400 on my initial purchase of the liquids but have probably saved god only knows how much.

I fully agree that disposable vapes should be banned and a lot more restrictions be placed on certain aspects of the industry, but not to just go on a witch hunt with blinkers on and banning a perfectly good way to get people from smoking.

The UK Government are only banning disposable vaping products though:

The U.K. government on Monday announced it will ban disposable vapes, citing an "alarming rise" in the number of young people using them.

There will also be new restrictions on how vapes can be packaged and displayed, as well as the flavors they can come in.

Brightly colored e-cigarettes which are used once and thrown away have proliferated in the U.K. and other countries in recent years.

Pointing to the nicotine content that is typically present in many vapes, the U.K. government on Monday warned that withdrawal from the substance can sometimes cause "anxiety, trouble concentrating and headaches. While vaping can play a role in helping adult smokers to quit, children should never vape."

It is illegal to sell vapes to consumer under the age of 18 in the U.K., but according to government figures, 9% of 11- to 15-year-olds use them. The number of children vaping has tripled over the last three years, it said.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/01/29/disposable-vapes-to-be-banned-in-uk-after-warnings-of-risks-to-youth.html

It just means children are just going to have to buy them online.

Optical smoke detectors can't tell the difference, and are required in certain circumstances where ionising smoke detectors don't suit

British democracy isn't quite like those others where people vote for their governments. Brit's buy their government.

Tories defend £350K vaping boss donation

From the BBC website.

It puts any risks to children and the pain of addiction into clear pespective does it not.

Like Brexit, the welfare of the public and the welfare of those the public send to speak and act on their behalf in Britain are two widely different topics.