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Ireland Under-20 2024 Team

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  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭Leinster5


    I would agree. Usanov has struggled at AIL level at scrum & Howard is far off the required level of scrummaging. Sparrow is by far the best of the lot in my view. I'd imagine there will be many changes post-6 Nations and would expect the likes of Deay & perhaps O'Reilly at Prop & 2nd row to feature.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    quite a few forwards playing AIL yesterday, not many backs:

    • Andrew Sparrow - started for UCD
    • Jacob Boyd - bench for Queens
    • Henry Walker - started for Queens
    • Stephen Smyth - started for Old Wesley
    • Alan Spicer - started for UCD
    • Billy Corrigan - stared for Old Wesley
    • Bryn Ward - bench for ballynahinch
    • Sean Edogbo - started at 6 for UCC
    • Luke Murphy - started at 7 for Shannon
    • Jake O'Riordan - started at 9 for UL Bohs
    • Rory Ellerby - started at 12 for Queens
    • Stephen Kiely - started at 15 for Shannon




  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Notable under-20s who arent in squad but also played:

    • Emmet Calvey - bench for Shannon
    • Adam Wrona - bench for UCC
    • Kamil Novak - bench for Cork Con
    • Jacob Sheahan - started at 7 for UCC
    • Michael Colreavy - started at 7 for UCD
    • Eanna McCarthy - started at 8 for UCC
    • Dylan Hicks - bench for Garryowen
    • Ben McFarlane - started at 11 for Queens
    • Luke Kritzinger - started at 13 for UCD
    • Davy Colbert - started at 14 for Trinity, scored two tries.
    • Sean Condon - started at 14 for UCC
    • Ben Gibson - started at 15 for Queens
    • Tom Larke - started at 15 for Old Wesley


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Watched the Cork Con. V UCD match. Con, were full value for the win. Tim cookery playing at UCD. He's a good player, I was surprised that nobody picked him up. As far as the 30's go, Sparrow struggled in my opinion and Spicer was mixed. He carries to upright and needs a lower base. They should work on explosiveness with him as I feel he gets by with his size. Some training with him will certainly get him on the right track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    20s trained with queens during the week. Wonder if theyve done or will do any more sessions with ail sides before 6 natio s



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  • My predicted Irish U20s team, based on who did and didn't play AIL this past weekend (I'm assuming guys who started in AIL aren't going to play v France U20s next weekend).

    15-9,1-8:

    Hugo McLaughlin, Ben O'Connor, Wilhelm de Klerk, Hugh Gavin, Ethan Graham, Jack Murphy, Oliver Coffey, Alex Usanov, Danny Sheahan, Andrew Sparrow, Evan O'Connell, Alan Spicer, Joe Hopes, Josh Stevens, Brian Gleeson.

    Reps: Henry Walker, Ben Howard, Patreece Bell, Luke Murphy, Bryn Ward, Tadhg Brophy, Sean Naughton, Finn Treacy.

    Some of the positional moves might be slightly different: Like O'Connor and McLaughlin might swap, and I'm not sure who is ahead at hooker - I gave the nod to Sheahan based on experience. I think having Hopes at blindside allows them to name two backrows on the bench.

    Have no idea who's second choice at scrum half.

    Guys like Sean Edogbo, Billy Corrigan, Rory Ellerby and Stephen Kiely all started in AIL last weekend, while Jacob Boyd and Stephen Smyth sat on the bench in AIL.

    Other guys, who had been regular or recent AIL starters but look like likely starters for the Irish U20s like Andrew Sparrow, Alan Spicer, Josh Stevens, Bryn Ward, Luke Murphy, Oliver Coffey, Jack Murphy, Wilhelm de Klerk and Hugo McLaughlin all were absent from AIL this weekend, hence my prediction that they're in line to start v France.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I saw some of edogbo and smyth in ail this week (their teams played). I get the logic but ironically they both looked class. Its crazy edogbo wouldn’t make a 23. He is insanely powerful in the carry. Ditto for Smyth in terms of his size at hooker. Although they do seem to love Walker.

    Edit: crazy as in the back row talent must be absolutely insane this year.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • Yeah, I would have always had both penciled in from a good bit out, but just made that pick above based on the fact that some guys who will definitely start were obviously pulled from AIL duty, so taking that readthrough across the whole squad, led me to conclude they're likelier to miss out.

    From what I've heard - it looks likely that Joe Hopes will start at 6, and Edogbo doesn't really look like a 7. I've heard they're really high on Josh Stevens, who is supposed to be a good talent.

    It could well be the case that Smyth, Boyd and Edogbo could feature this weekend, and it wouldn't wholly surprise me, but for now I think it'll be roughly the 23 I forecast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Yea fair enough. There are four more games and a world cup as well so everyone will get a chance.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Sebastian Ashy Rant


    Given the perceved strenght of the pack they could well go 6-2 also feels like theyll be reticent to take off some of the backs



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  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Adam Deay and Ruben Moloney back playing at the weekend for their clubs 20s sides after injury. Big talents.

    Noticed Tom Brigg started for Queens too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Is deay better than sparrow? I guess leinster would only take one?

    Ditto for mclaughlin and moloney.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    no stats for the 20s players posted on their profiles, but date of births are there:


    • Hugh Gavin (Connacht) - 10/01/2004
    • Brian Gleeson (Munster) - 05/02/2004
    • Ben Howard (Leinster) - 18/02/2004
    • Joe Hopes (Ulster) - 16/03/2004
    • Danny Sheahan (Munster) - ???
    • Ethan Graham (Ulster) - 27/04/2004
    • Evan O'Connell (Munster) - 04/05/2004
    • Sean Edogbo (Munster) - 08/05/2004
    • Patreece Bell (Sale) - 23/05/2004
    • Hugo McLaughlin (Leinster) - 26/05/2004
    • Jacob Boyd (Ulster) - 10/07/2004
    • Jack Murphy (Leinster) - 15/07/2004
    • Stephen Smyth (Leinster) - 01/08/2004
    • Finn Treacy (Connacht) - 14/08/2004
    • Will De Klerk (Leinster) - 16/08/2004
    • Ben O'Connor (Munster) - 20/08/2004
    • Oliver Coffey (Leinster) - 13/09/2004
    • Tadhg Brophy (Leinster) - 18/09/2004
    • Sean Naughton (Connacht) - 19/10/2004
    • Andrew Sparrow (Leinster) - 15/11/2004
    • Rory Ellerby (Ulster) - 04/12/2004
    • Josh Stevens (Ulster) - 14/12/2004
    • Jake O'Riordan (Munster) - 17/12/2004
    • Bryn Ward (Ulster) -???
    • Luke Murphy (Munster) - 27/01/2005
    • Alan Spicer (Leinster) - 04/05/2005
    • Billy Corrigan (Leinster) - 25/06/2005
    • Will Wooton (Sale) - 18/06/2005
    • Henry Walker (Ulster) - 24/06/2005
    • Alex Usanov (Leinster) - 10/07/2005
    Post edited by Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I notice there's a couple of English lads amongst the team. Did we pilfer them from England?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    No. We have an exiles programme and all came trhough that. Dont think any were in conversation for england at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Bell and Wootton both played for England at u18 level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    O Connell's must be wrong? He is eligible for next year as well?

    edit: i'm guessing they put spicer's on him as well. I doubt they are born on same day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Yeah thats wrong, fixed it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I'm very interested in seeing both of the english IQ guys honestly. Bell beat out longstaff who is raw but is physically a bit of a monster. And Wooton is the 4th 9 which is interesting in itself. He's also u19.





  • Yeah, puzzled why they included 4 9's but only 3 second rows (4 including Hopes there).

    Crazy to think guys as big as Alex Usanov and Alan Spicer are still only 18 years old as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    two guys i'm also very interested in seeing. Spicer for obvious reasons.

    Usanov because if he is good, do leinster take him or do other provinces make a play for him this year. There is no more loaded depth chart in rugby than loosehead at leinster. Unless they are moving mccarthy to thp which seems pretty risky.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • Usanov is absolutely enormous, and has a frame where he looks like he can easily add more bulk. He has been pretty dynamic when I've seen him and shows up around the field looking for carries frequently. It also speaks well that he's featured a few times this year for Clontarf in AIL, which is pretty special IMO for a 18-year old prop.

    Agreed - while the initial gap after Porter is bare atm (evidenced by 35-year old Cian Healy still being the second best option), Leinster would have sky high hopes at LHP for both Jack Boyle and Paddy McCarthy.

    Have heard McCarthy has been focused on adding some kgs over recent months (he played the first four games of the season for Leinster, then hasn't played at any level effectively until last weekend for Trinity in AIL). Porter still has an awful lot of rugby in him as well, so this does likely point to Michael Milne being out the door this summer or Ed Byrne or both.

    EDIT: On Spicer - he's obviously an enormous unit, but I would say I haven't been overly impressed with him yet on the 9-10 times I've seen him. His conditioning to me still leaves a bit to be desired, and trying to get him into situations where he can use his size is requiring a bit of thought. Obviously he's incredibly young, and they're doing everything they can to bring him along, but I'm not holding out hope that he'll be an enormous difference maker this 6N (hope I'm wrong on that).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Doesnt mean we pilfered them from england though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Agreed about Spicer. Have saw him a couple of times for UCD. He's young and hopefully will develop. I don't see any explosiveness or raw power from him yet. I have said before, if they can get him to Toners level....

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    The rumbles from the other provinces, i wonder if anyone can afford ed byrne or would want to pay for him. I really like milne although he is quite injury prone it seems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Sounds like worse came to worse, you could move usanov to THP.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Yeah - I did think that. He's a relatively recent convert to prop though altogether, so would be a longish road to make him switch but not impossible.

    I'm equally not sold on Andrew Sparrow yet - he looks good but will need a big 6N I think to get an academy contract. It's a shame Adam Deay is injured at present as I think he would have been in contention for the 23 here.



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