Deposit return scheme (recycling)

There are people who shop in small local stores, in rural and suburban villages. They don't go to big supermarkets. It is possible to get what you need in a Centra type shop, bigger than a corner shop but which would be exempt because Ireland seems to have exempted a much larger number of stores than other countries with similar schemes.

There are also people who get online deliveries.

Inconveniences don't have to be "life changing" for people to be put out by them. Hysterical much?

I get 99% of my groceries delivered. I don't drive. I pay recycling and waste collection.

So unless I start brewing my own Irn Bru, I'll be the Green Party's mug.

this is who instructed these shops to comply https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696409/#Comment_121696409

and they did'nt say no because it is the more profitable option than the other alternative, as mentioned in that linked comment.

don't get me started on paper straws, they're always going to bits on me lol.

too many green taxes and levys. Alot of air pollution, energy wasting and environmental waste also comes down to big business part they play. Some of them may opt for cheaper packaging (i believe for PR reasons and to make it look like they care but really its just because it costs less) but with this electric example, and other things like manufacturing, do they really care? Aslong as they pay their "green tax" they can continue polluting. Essentially its profiting off of their pollution, by taxing it. Some intentionally choose to pay this tax instead of refusing to pollute, because more money (what they really care about). it's bribery in a way, aslong as they pay green tax moneys they can continue to get away with destroyed the earth and environment in other ways. 

Things like "Green Tax" give companies the green light to keep polluting the earth and wasting electric as long as the government get their cut of the money.

Fines in general are like "ah thats fine aslong as you have the money to pay for it you can do it and get away with it, aslong as you can afford it" and doesnt actually stop the behavior. All this stuff can be summed up as "you can continue doing this aslong as you pay us, aslong as we make money from you doing it, its all good". they don't work and people are only profitting from the problem via the tax/fine instead of actually doing anything about it.

the green stuff being paraded around by businesses is usually a PR stunt, pandering for profit, or virtue signalling.

Excellent point. And also I would add it is much easier to store the plastic bottles after use, with the cap and therefore keep them intact for returning. Cans are a messier proposition and more prone to damage.

Excellent point. We might be able to develop it as a reason for EXCLUDING glass. Why was glass not included? Less value? Less uniform? More difficult to crush?

Just to footnote: I am happy they left out glass, it is one way we are able to avoid the scheme in much the way you describe (e.g. choosing beer in glass bottle, not can means no DRS).

yeah Behind a pay barrier

You'd wonder why glass has such high collection rates?

Oh yea, free, publicilly accessible, straight forward to use, open 24/7 bring centres - no enough of them mind but enough to bring the reclycling rate up to that number.

I wonder is that the reclycling rate of glass or the actual collection rate - how were they able to work out either of these rates without such a granular DRS in place I wonder??

We are being told that is the whole point of this new scheme....

I've had my say on another thread on this in fairness .

I've seen people stuff rubbish bags into the recycling bins

Working in retail. I'm hoping we don't get lots of angry and confused people tomorrow at the machines!

This is actually the system working. Environmentally, the only thing better than recycling plastic or aluminum is not using the materials in the first place. It is designed to make you think about your consumption - to be inconvenient but also to compel you to endure the inconvenience (or suffer the loss of the deposit) if you chose to use the items.

Pretty much the only thing we buy on a regular basis that will be part of the scheme is squash (MiWadi). I'll be buying the bigger bottles to reduce the number I have to deal with, or even thinking "do we really need to artificially flavour our water this week?"

If it cleans up all the glass bottles, beer cans and plastic bottles thrown along the roadsides then I'm in favour of it

Good luck to anyone working in a Spar or Centra when this goes live.

The thing is, the lads buying bottles of coke will not understand this.