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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    They are paying for confirmation of their views. Subscriptions are a very difficult thing to get right. The Irish Times made a complete mess of its first paywall because it got people who didn't understand the subscription model as it applied to content. It also got the timing wrong as it was pre-smartphone. That limited it to desktop and laptop. The Independent/Sindo didn't launch a paywall because their content management system was an antique and the Information Architecture was non-existent. The only publications that seem to have got paywalls anyway right are The Currency (a niche business news publication with high quality reporting), the Sunday Business Post (again a niche audience) and the Indo/Sindo. (They are owned by Mediahuis who have experience in this field.

    Gript has to convince readers to subscribe and it has a much better chance at it than The Journal for the simple reason that Gript's readers identify with the content and with Gript as being "their" publication. The Journal has no real unique selling point as it is very much a student union level journalism and issues publication with a few real articles. It also uses wire service articles as filler.

    Gript's unique selling point is probably summed up as "us (its readers and journalists) versus the rest". It has a clearly defined market and the mainstream media works hard to alienate it by stupidly calling it "Far Right" and other phrases. That just drives readers to Gript and alternatives. The Irish market is about a tenth of the size of the UK market so the comparison with GB News isn't a good one. One of the advantages that Gript has is that there is very little competition for its niche. The mainstream media seems to be consensus based and shares much of the same consensus. It is easily used as a propaganda outlet by feeding these publications press releases which are then run as news. Gript's confrontational stance when dealing with the government and political parties makes it less likely to run press releases as news. Some of the articles actually question government politicians in a way that makes them very uncomfortable. That's something that ordinary voters like to see. The usual government method of dealing with problem journalists (make them special advisors or press officers) is unlikely to be tried with Gript. Because it has no mainstream competition or even competition in the same niche, monetising its content might be a lot easier than it would be for a more generalist publication. They've got the wave of discontent over the immigration system in Ireland and government incompetence. Whether they can ride that wave to major success remains to be seen. Major success, in this case, would be dominating theiir niche market and continuing to gain readers. The addition of Kevin Myers is a step in that direction.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,753 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    That’s all interesting stuff jm, but there’s no competition between Gript and the likes of TheJournal or RTE News online, as demonstrated by the graphic in the article I provided earlier. Gript’s main audience are unlikely to want to part with the €10/month for a subscription, no matter how much of an affinity they feel with Gript’s content creators.

    The comparison with GB News was entirely apt - as you suggest, Gript has little competition for its niche, because there’s little revenue to be made in said niche. It’s similar to the way in which family members will agree with an entrepreneur that theirs is a fantastic business idea, yet the market demonstrates otherwise. Gript’s continued existence simply demonstrates that PT Barnum was right, as if it weren’t entirely obvious.

    That’s why it’s easy to make a statement that it remains to be seen whether they can ride the wave to major success when you set the bar so low as being outstanding in their niche. It’s not that difficult when they’re the only player in that space. The likes of mainstream media players are on an entirely different level that Gript just can’t compete with, they don’t even try, they’re perfectly happy to be a thorn in the side, as that is their niche.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Does Ann have a tic? If not, then she's highlighting the very issue with these types; pure smugness and condescension.



    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Who was the minister or junior minister that let the cat out of the bag by admitting they needed to reword to help with family reunifications?

    It must be so that all those mormon men can bring their multiple wives, sorry durable partners in their polygamous relations, and their associated offspring to Ireland.

    AFAIK there is no explicit statement that one can only be in one durable relationship so multiple durable relationships could be argued i.e. multiple wives or husbands (but I bet there won't ever be many of those).

    Interesting that it is only Gript that now ask any of these seemingly probing, hard or difficult to answer questions of our politicians.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Interesting that it is only Gript that now ask any of these seemingly probing, hard or difficult to answer questions of our politicians.

    That's the problem though. The far right rose to power in the 1930s by questioning politicians. It's a well known far right tactic to take power. So in the name of stopping the rise of authoritarianism, maybe we should ban it? If not we'll lose democracy and our freedoms.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    I genuinely love the way you can see the disdain on the faces of politicians when they see the Gript journalists in the press pack about to ruin their day by asking them for specifics and details on policy. It would be so much easier if they were like the other hacks asking soft soap questions in the hope of getting a lucrative special advisors gig on €130k per year or were married to one of the other ministers special advisers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,387 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭crusd


    How many questions have they ever asked about native Irish repeat offenders?

    They cherry pick issues to report on to drive an agenda and that is what de-legitimatises them as an organisation



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,387 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    All other msm covers that, as they don't want to be seen as "far right racists"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭crusd


    So cheery picking to suit an agenda rather than dealing with the issues of today - good, reporting facts -bad

    Yes?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    Your right of course, the Irish media completely ignores Irish criminals. The Sunday World only built their business model on it. I think it's highly relevant that a person who should have been deported was allowed to remain in the state to continue committing crimes, as I'd imagine the vast majority of the population do also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭crusd


    Interestingly Gript is now aligning themselves as understanding the DUP position. Any commonality in sources of funding for Brexiteers, DUP fundies and Gript grifters is purely coincidence though



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    We have 99.9% of the media covering the stories of our natives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭buried


    They all do that craic, especially concerning certain infallible indigenous repeat offenders. We had a segment about Irish travellers in The Irish Times last weekend, reporting on their huge headstones in rural graveyards, how a huge number of them are breaking every planning law concerning the erection of these massive structures in graveyards that are physically and structurally not fit to be built in said areas, but at the end of the article they had that pavee point NGO mouthpiece Collins basically saying "This is our culture and we aren't conforming to settled culture... because you want us to conform, and that's racism" And that was that. He had the final say in that article.

    And his final say was total bull$hit, but the Irish Times never pulled him up on his total lack of knowledge on the subject. He just said "racism" and they let him off talking total waffle about something he literally has no clue about. That's an agenda right there.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,387 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    What's the plan then? Are Grift being used to subvert the state and install a Unionist government or something? What's the theory? Or as you lot call them; "conspiracy theories"?

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    It shows the headers we have in government and the NGO's, anything at all to tighten up the system and to deter the abuse of the system is met with resisitance and the "far right" bogeyman.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    This is the "journalism" we're meant to support. Four different people airing their views in this article, yet not one alternative view for balance.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ehh we are stuck with our own native offenders.

    They were probably born and raised in this country.

    They were never invited in, allowed stay when found out to be bogus and left remain even after committing crimes to repeat yet more crimes.

    I was surprised the minister couldn't offer any comment on a serial w a n ker illegally in the country, after all she is surrounded by a enough adept practitioners in her own government.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Augme


    And in what articles do gript provide balance?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    One could ask that question of all the MSM when it comes to certain topics.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure



    Shouldn't we all at least try to understand the situation?

    What the article actually says:

    ...this is not a diversion from “normal politics”. This is normal politics, as designed and ratified in the Good Friday Agreement. The health service and education comes a distant second in that constitution, miles behind the more important principle of community consent.

    In my view, this is a bad, and outdated idea. Northern Ireland would probably normalise much more quickly with a more normal constitution...

    https://gript.ie/the-dup-normal-politics-and-the-political-framing-you-dont-notice/



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    Does the Irish Times not refer to itself as the paper of record? Gript doesn't preport to be a bastion of balanced journalism, the Irish Times does.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Let's not get hung up on marketing slogans.

    Just buy a copy of the IT and compare the content with the same day's output from Gript.

    Decide for yourself if one or the other or even both are worth supporting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

    So that's ^ the title of this thread, and it may be true in many instances? I don't know, but what I do know is that I recrntly watched a Gript media interview on from ten months ago & it was an excellent interview, with a youngish female interviewer interviewing an older woman about social contagion & it's impact on younger people, very informative and eye opening. So even if the rest of their content is rubbish I'm glad I saw that interview.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    I read and view all media, surely that's how you get the full picture. An echo chamber of Fintan O'Toole and Una Mulally would give you some world view, as would Ben Scannlon or David Quinn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But those are opinion pieces and flagged as such. Not masquerading as news.

    Breda O'Brien / Maria Steen have a column every week BTW and even Quinn has been in there quite a few times

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    Take this video for example, it's about as balanced as one fat man on a seesaw. If it was written by the refugee council it couldn't be any more biased. She couldn't just explain the factual differences without adding words hurt


    Or this one, "Who's behind opposition to asylum seekers in Rosslare" was the original headline here with the obvious conotations that goes with that language but they changed it. "Who's behind" clearly implies a controlling or hidden force manipulating things, as if the locals aren't really opposing things. It was used in Rosslare, Roscrea, Ballinrobe, Galway etc etc and it's clearly designed to say the locals aren't doing this, it's "outsiders" or the far right. "Who's behind the global banking system or who controls the media" would very quickly draw accusations of anti semitism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,965 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    And the replies to that...jfc. Ireland's best and brightest right there.



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