Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I really don't think people would allow Israel to be wiped out.

From my own perspective, I don't apportion atrocities to the Israelis as a whole - only to those who perpetrate it. The actions of the far right in the cabinet must be mortifying to most Israelis. Netanyahu is hanging on by a thread.

But many people would tar all Israelis with the same brush. I wouldn't.

Likewise, I don't apportion atrocities to the Palestinian civilians.

Some of those held haven't been charged or the accusations against them are very minor (throwing stones). Some will die.

I read there was one girl held for months for a WhatsApp or telegram or some such post on social media.

Anyone held must be charged and tried or released.

I read today Israeli courts have extended the period they can be held without charge.

Good news if it goes through - hostages released, Palestinians released, increased aid to Gaza and best of all, Ben Gvir resigns.

Source: Haaretz

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: A framework for a cease-fire/hostage deal between Israel and Hamas includes the release of all Israeli civilian hostages held in the Strip during a six-week cease-fire backed by the U.S., Qatar and Egypt, the Washington Post reported.

• According to the report, Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons will be released in exchange for Israeli captives at a rate of three prisoners for each hostage.
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• The proposal also includes the condition of a non-permanent repositioning of IDF forces away from densely populated areas in the Strip and increased humanitarian aid into Gaza, and may include additional truces beyond the first six weeks, during which IDF soldiers and the bodies of hostages who were killed by Hamas would be released.
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• The number of Palestinian prisoners set to be released in a potential deal has yet to be specified, a senior Hamas official told Reuters.
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• U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivanmet in Washington D.C. with families of Israeli hostages and former hostages.
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• Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said that he opposes the potential deal with Hamas, adding that "a ridiculous deal means the dissolution of the government." Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid said that his party agrees to enter the government to replace the far-right Religious Zionism party in order to promote a hostage deal.

"In other words, one way or the other – if a deal moves forward – the [Netanyahu] coalition has slim prospects of surviving in its current form" - Amos Harel

UNRWA: Norway, a top donor to the UN agency, urged countries that have cut funding to UNRWA to consider the consequences of their actions on Gazans. The head of the World Health Organization warned that halting funding to UNRWA would lead to "catastrophic consequences" for people in Gaza.

"The 'meaningless fringe' excuse is dead. In Israel, what looks insane one minute becomes state policy the next" - Dahlia Scheindlin

■ U.S.: Leaders of the U.S. Reform movement, the largest Jewish denomination in the country, said that they were "deeply dismayed" by PM Netanyahu's recent dismissal of the possibility of a two-state solution that would provide the Palestinians with their own state.

Haha I think you're a bit late with that suggestion.

https://youtu.be/0el9wiOBmmM?si=t-l75gsYnl2_yex9

Wouldn't it be great if it would happen and settled this mess but who among the Palestinian leadership wants it and how long would they survive on the street advocating for it.

Nothing in that video shows Israel or the original reports claiming that 40 babies were beheaded? 40 babies killed, some beheaded. Thanks for proving my point that " Israel said 40 babies were beheaded so they are lying about everything" is a straw man. Anyway, is exactly 40 headless babies the benchmark for an atrocity now? Yeah, they murdered, burnt, killed and decapitated some kids, but it wasnt 40 so shut up about it? Jesus Christ. Also, they literally live streamed themselves trying to hack a living persons head off with a garden tool...but babies is just too far for them?

In any case, some children were decapitated, according to forensic pathologists. They are Jewish/Israeli though so also liars no doubt according to the deniers

The dead children may be the lucky ones...

Whether Iranians want Israel to exist or not should not affect the rights of the palestinians to self determination. One states security demands do not deny the existance of another country.

Russia claims that it invaded Ukraine because of security concerns. Would Russia be more secure if Ukraine was controlled by a puppet government? Probably. That doesn't give Russia any rights to occupy Ukraine and control it's peoples. Likewise during the troubles the IRA would regularly retreat back to the republic. Thankfully the UK never questioned the sovereignty of the republic. They never said that the republic can't exist.

But there are some who say that if it makes Israel more secure, then the Palestinians shouldn't have a state. There's people who say that if it makes Israel more secure, then they should annex the occupied territories.

That's wrong. Just as it's wrong for Russia to take over Donbas or invade Ukraine.

"Whether Iranians want Israel to exist or not should not affect the rights of the palestinians to self determination. One states security demands do not deny the existance of another country."

Iran runs Hamas. Hamas are the government in Gaza, so both are sworn to destroy Israel. Should Israel passively accept a new State directly bordering its country that is sworn to destroy it? Would you accept Cork seceding from Ireland sworn to destroy it?

Palestinians have the right to self determination, but not until the 'kill all the Jews' oaths go, it's really very simple.

Hopefully this is true and they can bring an end to the genocide.

But the Palestinians can keep firing rockets? You're cool with whatever Hezbollah gets up to?

"I can only imagine that the average Palestinian in Gaza sees the wrath that Hamas have brought upon ordinary citizens - who just want (and deserve) as much security as Israelis want."

Really? Haven't you been saying Hamas is guaranteed recruits for generations now? Where will they come from?

A new Palestinian state needs to support Israel, beyond acknowledging its right to exist. I can see a joint military patrolling Israel's borders with Syria, Jordan, Egypt... Including Palestinian women in the IDF. As well as a favorable disposition for integrating Palestinians into Israeli society as citizens, with the eventual, very long term goal of a one-state solution for both.

Not everything's on Israel, despite the endless attempts to portray life as such.

Funny, this is what Sky News site is showing:

Perhaps "Toryfibs" (now, there's an ID that inspires trust) is making things up?

"The Israeli intelligence documents make several claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA."

"UNRWA also said it shares the list of all its staff with host countries every year, including Israel.

"The agency never received any concerns on specific staff members," it added."