Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

What's this?

Oh just more israeli lies

Edit: dunno why it's says sensitive content, it's just a CNN report on alleged tunnels near a cemetery.

Interesting.

These cases are not analogues, nobody in Ukraine was looking for a fight pre-2022 and at no time did the Republic support IRA terrorists. Indeed, when it became clear to the Irish government that there was a problem with IRA members crossing the border, they passed legislation to proscribe them. Furthermore, at no time were "the Troubles" a fight to the death for either Ireland or the UK: even if the UK had to withdraw completely from Northern Ireland, the IRA were never going to continue to the Mainland and drive all the English people into the sea.

Expecting Israel to co-exist with people who are determined to wipe them out completely is not realistic. As mentioned in a recent post, true peace will probably require the removal of both Netanyahu and the Mullahs of Iran. And hopefully that happens: but in the meantime, we must stand with Israel, its right to exist and its right to defend itself against its mortal enemies.

They've already started, have seen some on other SM claim this was Hamas killing people who refused to fight or were trying to escape.

You may be correct and there may be some who say that if it makes Israel more secure, then the Palestinians shouldn't have a state.

On the otherhand, it is Palestinian state doctrine set out by their Hamas government that Israel shouldn't exist because Jews don't deserve a homeland and the elimination of all Jews is a goal.

There is also the contradiction in your first sentence where you dismiss Iran not wanting Israel to exist but condemn "some" who may not want Palestinians to have a state, without quantifying or qualifying that the "some" you refer to are fringe, rather than the whole Iranian state wanting the elimination of Israel.

How do you know they haven't?

Do you think Biden made a judgement on a whim, of a tweet?

No, information and intelligence are shared between Israel and the US, and the US will share it with other allies.

Each of these has its own intelligence agency that can corroborate and stand over what each other is saying, or call it out as bullshit.

It stands to reason the US, UK, Canadian, Australian, German, Swedish and Japanese intelligence services (just to name a few) have their way of verifying that UNRAW is indeed riddled with Jihadists, this funding is suspended pending a full investigation on the extensiveness of his.

Therefore stuff in the press, from CBS, and WSJ just to name a few gives credence that indeed UNRAW has an issue with Hamas and Jihadists using it.

Look, lets just let it lie, seeing as you are not going to front up.

Your agrument amounts to just 'Goggle it'

There is zero evidence or credibility for your outlandish claims about Israel wanting to kill everyone, civilians being deliberately targeted as per government policy, or that no rapes were committed by Hamas, or that no Jewish civilians were killed on October 7th by Hamas.

The last two in particular are a vile conspiracy theory, right out of the Nazi playbook.

When was the last time it was a fight to the death for Israel? Are Hamas that much of a threat? From what I saw they performed a pretty nasty terrorist attack and then went and hid in their bunkers. For months Israel have been dropping thousands of bombs on them and leveling Gaza. Are hamas biding their time till they launch their nukes? Are Hamas going to spring up in their millions behind the Israeli front lines with tanks and march on Tel Aviv?

How exactly is this a battle for survival for israel?

And yes, I do believe Israel needs to protect itself against Hamas. And yes they do need to go after Hamas. I'm just not hyperbolic enough to claim that hamas can do anything to threaten Israels actual existence unless you count making empty threats. Get over yourself and your melodrama. people won't take you seriously unless you do.

Now, I do believe that if there's a group of people who won't survive this intact, it's the Gazans. The whole territory is surrounded on all sides. Pretty much no-one goes in or out. There's constant daily bombardments which have killed so many children. Starvation is getting worse and there's less food getting in. People are proposing starving the whole territory because that might hurt Hamas so famine is a distance possibility.

And back in Israel, people are going to the cinema, going to the beach and just basically hanging out.

So tell me again, which populace are actually facing an existential crises? Which ones are facing off against one of the worlds most powerful military's which is backed up with supplies from most of the western world.

I have read posts questioning specific parts of the 7th attack but can't recall anyone denying the 7th Oct attack didnt kill civilians.

They are plenty of here denying that the killing of 10k kids is an atrocity. That is a fact.

You need to read the actual report. not some random dude on Twitter.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-intelligence-report-claims-four-unrwa-staff-in-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967

I dont agree with anyone who would deny rapes happened. I think there is crazy stuff being written as you say.

But criticism from those that are expressing very little sentiment regarding the thousands of women and children being killed in Gaza is always going to ring a bit hollow.

No, there was evidence presented publicly, to the US Congress, by Canadian lawyer Hillel Neuer. He's been investigating this for years and has the receipts. It's been posted here a couple of times just yesterday. Weird how that's another subject that certain posters never seem to see or comment on, a bit like all the blatant anti semitism and Hamas support posted throughout the thread. We get "I didn't see any of that, where is it?". Tiresome

The WSJ article was behind a paywall (I asked you to copy and paste or summarize the part specific to the 10%) and no, I didn't watch the video but found news reports on it. It was listing all the things wrong UNWRA have been doing, teaching hate in school etc... UNWRA staff being a member of a Whatsapp group celebrating the Oct 7 attacks and so on. Definitely seems to be an anti-israel sentiment with those staff members. However zero evidence about 10% of UNWRA staff are members of Hamas.

Some reporting mentions them being members of Hamas, some mention links to Hamas. So you can see the confusion.

hamas aren't gone anywhere.

they are not going to be cleared out of gaza, apart from in the mind of a delusional netanyahu.

he is correct, he doesn't need to read it to know that israely "evidence" proves nothing, or proves the opposite of what they claim.