Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Not really.

They where and are two different things.

You are criticising a party for evolving it's ideology. It would be a bit like taunting FG for evolving away from fascism.

I wouldn't do that.

I was talking about the history of sleeveenism in FF. They were legendary purveyors of it. Perfectly ok to criticise them for that.

The onus on the party that wins the election to form a government.

The list of excuses coming from Sinn Fein are long and winding. Blaming everyone else for them not been able to get a single party to join with them is not a new one.

Yes, if FF and FG refuse to enter into talks about a coalition with SF then obviously it's SF fault.

Name one thing SF have said about other party's and I can guarantee you can find other opposition parties saying the same. The abuse/castigation FF and FG have thrown at on another over the years, for instance?

You are just engaging in exceptionalism and a rather puritanical view of the cut and thrust of politics everywhere.

I'm on the wrong side of 60 and have many long years experience of listening to that cut and thrust.

Any update on when Council & Euro elections are taking place ?

And that is exactly how it is for all parties. Look at the poster on here who has never stopped criticising MM for FF going into government with FG after they said they wouldn't.

Sill will 30% practically a third vote for them , not really adult behaviour out of others if they wont talk to Sinn Fein if theyve the most seats , is it a bit like the DUP not wanting to go into govt with Sinn Fein .

Maybe if their ever is a United Ireland will it be a Fine Gael/DUP coalition at first Election ?

Is there anything that has happened in Ireland over the last 100 years that isn't SF's fault in your eyes? 😂😂

In every election from 1930 to 2007, Fianna Fail were the biggest party and "won" every election in the way that you and others claim that Sinn Fein "won" the last election. However, you will notice that Fianna Fail didn't go into government after all those elections. Various coalitions went into government instead. Why? Because those other parties knew that Fianna Fail wasn't interested in sharing power.

So, what happened after the last election is likely to happen Sinn Fein again, because every other political party knows that Sinn Fein isn't interested in sharing power.

Ahh did I upset you because I discussed Sinn Fein on a thread about Sinn Fein. You know how to use the report button so off you go if you have a problem with the post

Incompetence should be the word Sinn Fein run with, from top to bottom the party that is best description. Who creates an online army to attract new supporters and it does the opposite. Who wins an election and then can't even manage to get a single party to agree terms with them. Total incompetence.

i will wait now for the list of excuses as every Sinn Fein discussed is full of......but but but they wouldn't let us play......

As I posted to you already Ireland is an incredible country to live in, yes we have problems but so does every country

I love my country and especially the people that worked hard for years to give people the opportunities they get today, not been shipped off at 16 to England like my father had to do. Great people who came back and built Ireland up so now people have opportunities at home.

If you don't like it and the people who built it you know you can leave. As per usual my point is clear, I don't need 100 posts back & forward with you wittering on about some nonsense

I asked you a question about SF on the SF thread. If you are going to have a little cry about being asked to discuss SF on the SF thread then maybe the SF thread isn't for you.

It was a 'Roman Catholic' obsessed state because the parties of the power share allowed it to be. They are still blocking restitution for those who had their lives destroyed and blighted because a blind eye was turned to the crimes of the church.

That all changed because brave political party's and activists stood up to the hold the church had and it wasn't the party's of the power swap. They fought every societal change that got going then jumped on the various bandwagons when the winds changed.

Meanwhile FG and FF celebrate the men and women who killed 'our neighbours' too.

The rose tinted glasses need to come off.

I didn't 'choose' SF until the 2020 election. Previously I voted for the parties of the power swap...now power share. No issue taking the blame for that.

A poster posted an unbalanced history of the state and credited it to the parties who swapped power here for 100years.

The truth is always more nuanced though.

I have no issue giving credit where it is due for bringing us out of the poverty the British had us in but all the credit is not with those in power. They resisted change and it was the activism of others that brought the huge societal changes here.

Come on, you can't have your cake and eat it now blanch. FG and FF fought a mighty battle keep this country being roman Catholic obsessed for as long as possible. Leo himself was anti abortion and anti guy marraige up until very recently. Thankfully, the weight of public pressure was just too much for FG and FF to push back against despite their best and very long standing efforts.

Aa for this island being held back in the 1970s and 1980s by SF rather than events like Bloody Sunday, we will just have to agree to disagree on that. Now I'm sure you felt that innocent catholics should have just accepted their fate of being shot when marching for equal treatment and but it's easy to say that when you aren't the one being murdered for simply wanting to be treated fairly.

No, they weren't. The vast majority of catholics killed during the troubles were killed by the British army or loyalists.

Of course you think talking about the innocent people killed during Bloody Sunday is waffling on. No doubt their murders be blamed on SF and no one else as well.

"By 2005 the combination of the impact of the Celtic Tiger upon our economy and the damage done earlier to Northern Ireland by the IRA campaign in effectively halting foreign investment there had dramatically reversed the North/South economic relationship."

The great Garret Fitzgerald explaining the effect of the IRA campaign on the economy of the North. I don't think that there is a single paper anywhere in the world (other than perhaps some propaganda from Friends of Sinn Fein) that would claim that Sinn Fein's support for the PIRA campaign had a positive effect on anything.

Another article that sets it out clearly is this one:

"And so, when they carry out campaigns of violence against property or against people, in many, many instances what they were doing was they were damaging their own people more than they were furthering their cause."

I couldn't have put it better myself.

I'd say the people SF represent in the north will be feeling very positive tomorrow.

I'm sure you will be around to tell them they have no right to feel that way and Garrett would probably find a way to do it too if he was around.

By the way, what is the point of foreign investment if almost half the people are treated as 2nd class citizens deprived of equality and rights?

No we won't. It is not a single leadership post.

Try and understand how it works (or doesn't) in NI.

The significance of tomorrow is symbolic. No Taig was ever meant to be in that symbolic role nor no nationalist party was ever meant to be in the majority.

PIRA/PSF had no interest in the Catholic/nationalist community, just protecting the criminal organisation that it created, running drugs/diesel/guns was all they had any interest in

Of course they had no problem protecting rapist, murders and paedolfies but a kid step out of line and he was beaten or knee capped.

How exactly was that protecting the catholics?

It's been done to death, but Sinn Fein trying to portray the galant battle is not what happened in reality.

EVen people in Rep of Ireland wasn't safe, how many got killed for no reason apart from they stood out of line for the criminal organisation.

And remember that while PIRA were doing all these things, nobody North or South, bar the diehards, voted for Sinn Fein.

It was only when the PIRA stopped killing people that Sinn Fein got votes, in effect, being thanked for stopping killing people. There was no support among any community for the PIRA, the strongest emotion was fear.