Ian Bailey RIP - threadbans in OP

Don’t disagree in overall sentiment of the post - but the first assault on Jules was 1993 and the second in 1996- were the guards called in either case? I can’t recall - saying that it’s a small community so they’re bound to have known

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20299618.html

Their next door neighbour was brutally murdered but jesus "Ya can have a load of stuff in your way if ya don't make the trip".

Also I think the benefits to be gained from potentially destroying or getting rid of vital evidence linking you to a murder slightly outweighs the negative of having attention drawn to you.

The trip to the dump draws attention to them regardless of their involvement or not. Even if it was just a run of the mill pre-planned trip, we are still discussing it over 27 years later and drawing inferences and conclusions from it. That alone kind of tells you that it wasn't the greatest idea.

I read a Reddit thread last night, Murder at the Cottage posted by Phil Mathers, where he lays out exactly why Bailey couldn't have done it. It convinced me. After listening to the West Cork podcast, I thought he had done it. He claimed he got out of bed that night to write an article for the Sunday Tribune and one of Jules daughters confirmed he was at his typewriter when she got up to go to the loo during the night. The Sunday Tribune confirmed that he had submitted the article and met his deadline.

That's what this entire thread is, randomers on the internet. So that's a stupid point to make.

We still have no idea who was involved in the murder so your last sentence speaks volumes and sort of makes my point for me.

I've read some nonsense on this thread but some of the last few posts from Bailey defenders really take the biscuit.

Was Shirley supposed to get back in her car, drive it back over the crime scene and unload her rubbish again? As for the gardai not checking her car, has anyone any evidence for this? And she found the body on the way to the dump. You'd think she'd fill the car with supposed incriminating evidence and then alert the gardai and leave a car full of evidence at the end of the road for all to see? I've no doubt some hare-brained Bailey defender will suggest just that, that evidence was well hidden in car and similar nonsence.

And while other things point to garda competence, Shirleys car being let go to the dump doesn't.

As for Shirley getting on with life, not being too bothered, what nonsense. She was likely in shock and on autopilot and did not know what to do, nor was she thinking straight. Its unlikely she could even process what she had just seen. The gardai told her to move the car, she did.

Yes there'd been conflicting reports. From memory of accounts, Bailey denied it, despite 2 witnesses saying otherwise. Bailey denied everything by the way always. During his libel trial, after almost killing his partner and attacking her after returning from hospital he denied he was a violent man! His denials were worthless.

Jules admitted in one account there was a bonfire related to cleaning out the studio.

Forensic guys took a look at the contents after the fire and found evidence of clothes and shoes. Potentially this evidence could have been crucial, especially the shoes.

The timing of the bonfire is also important, witnesses said late December, Jules said February I think. If it happened before Bailey became an official suspect or was arrested or his home searched, then key evidence could have been destroyed.

Probably wouldn't have looked great if she went to the dump first and reported the body upon returning home either

Reports of friction over neighbour things, access, gates, water, ownership of particular strips or plots of land.

He found the body. His reported conduct in finding the body was a bit strange, he says he stopped 20 yards away, didn't take a close took to try to see who it was or if they were dead, but immediately went to Sophies to check on her. Maybe just not thinking straight.

He had opportunity.

He and his wife reported hearing nothing of the murder next door. They are each other's alibi so to speak.

He had a bandaged hand on the day of the murder.

He was likely to have known about the pump house and the loose concrete block.

Somebody shopped him to the Guards for growing weed not long after Sophie moved in.

Against that there is considerable doubt as to whether Alfie (63 at the time and not known for being a strong man, deceased now) would be able to wield the pump house concrete block as a weapon.

Why exactly sould it have been impounded? You think anyone would be stupid enough to fill the car with evidence and then ring the cops? In fact would anyone be stupid enough to go to the dump in full glare of everyone if they had just murdered someone, thereby incriminating themselves?