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Being added to an insurance policy for a cheaper quote

  • 31-01-2024 4:44pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭


    One of the guys i work with has been learning to drive for the past few months and has a provisional licence. He is also looking at buying a car and was told that his quote would be 500 euro cheaper if he adds a fully licensed driver on the policy. He is a foreign national with no family locally so he approached me and asked if could add me to his policy. We live about 30 minutes drive from one another so ill never be in the car with him.

    My gut reaction is no but what are the implications if I was to be added to his policy?

    Post edited by LIGHTNING on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Well for one if he speeds and gets points he could try and say it was you driving, even as far as to let it go to court. Or if there was a hit and run. I wouldn't be doing it unless it's a trusted family member of friend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Grand to do with someone very trusted but with some, essentially, randomer? Not in a million years.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    So he as a provisional license holder wants to add you a full license holder as a named driver and will get ~€500 off? That doesn't make sense, everyone would be just naming random people on their insurance to get money off.

    Sounds like they want you to get the insurance and get them as a named driver, you might think you are doing them a turn but it could end up biting you in the arse, off the top of my head, you would be libel for any excess in the event of a claim, you will have to appear in court in the event of a case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭munsterfan2


    Did it for one of the kids, his quote on his own was 1700, added me as a named driver and it dropped to 850. Seems bizarre, like saying a bottle of coke is 3 quid but if you buy it with a mars bar you can have both for 1.

    Somebody's risk model somewhere must have shown that new drivers who have older people as named drivers on their policy are lower risk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭shane b


    The insurance policy will be in his name and anyone extra will be a named driver.

    I've seen the quote. It's 2300 in his name only but 1800 for him and a fully licensed driver, be it male or female.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,870 ✭✭✭This is it


    It's pretty common. Why it works like that, I don't know, but it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭User1998


    Adding an experienced driver to a learner drivers policy still usually results in a decrease. The learner isn’t expecting OP to take out a policy and add him as a named driver.

    To be honest OP I don’t think there are any possible negative impacts for you. The other comments about the learner trying to frame you for any speeding incidents is completely false. They can try frame anyone but they won’t get anywhere without their signature and driver number

    The only thing I’d worry about is you do someone a favour like this and before you know it they’ll be asking for favours all the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,138 ✭✭✭gipi


    The theory is that 2 names on the policy suggests 2 drivers - the learner isn't the sole driver of the car, so the risk is reduced by having a fully qualified driver insured.

    It happens with older drivers too - my bf gets a cheaper quote by including me as a named driver on his policy (he's older than me).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭shane b


    Just on the driver number. To be added as a named driver, the person would have to supply a copy of their license, front and back for the policy to be valid. the driver number would be included as part of the included documentation would it not?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    You learn something new every day, thanks all for opening my eyes, something I'll definitely consider when the children are looking at getting cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭StonedRaider


    If there ever was a claim on the policy, both main and named drivers will have to declare that for any motor insurance policy the next 5 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭JVince


    Rubbish. Absolute and utter rubbish.


    The question asked is if "you" have had a claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭beachhead


    The posts have been "if"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭beachhead


    5 years after a claim an insurance company will require details of any accident a person is involved in whether at fault or not..Some generous cos say 3 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭StonedRaider


    Ignore at your peril. Read the policy fine print. 'whether at fault or not'

    If found out that you had not declared, policy will be void

    When it comes to legalities, do take the advice from random strangers on the internet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    As a named driver it is not his policy that a claim would be made on. OP would not have to declare any claims unless they were actually driving the car at the time of the claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,156 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Maybe ask if you can talk to his insurance company to ask them because some people here are guessing about things to be honest

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Not something I'd do

    Nothing in it except risk of some sort or other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    Isn't this called fronting in the UK? Clamping down on it over there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Not sure it's fronting as such

    Anything like this is risky

    Reason being you're named on the policy to reduce the premium and not going to be driving the car

    My assumption is that insurance knows what they're doing so this is likely to cost you someway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    No, fronting would be the OP taking out the policy and the friend/owner of the car being a named driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    You need the full sentence for context, not a few words you are trying to use to frame something into something it is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭shane b


    OP here. Thanks for all the advice and opinions. Ive decided to turn the person down on the proposal.

    In order to validate the policy, the insurance company need a copy of my license which would have my name, address, date of birth etc on it. While i have no issue with the insurance company having the info, i would have to give him photos or scanned images of my license to upload as proof.

    I could ask him to delete the details as soon as he uploads them but I just dont feel comfotable handing that info to a person i dont know that awfully well.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Insurance forum mods?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    A friend in need.... is a friend that'll keep coming back to you... if you help him out the first time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭ThreeGreens


    Probably not a huge risk involved in it for you. But the obvious question is why doesn't he ask whoever will be the licenced driver who accompanies him when he's driving.


    If he's going to ignore the requirement to be accompanied by a fully licenced driver while he's driving, do you really want to be facilitating him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭shane b


    OP here, sorry forgot there was insurance forum. Should have posted this there



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Never mind the quote, have you read the terms and conditions of the policy and in particular the requirements to be a named party on the contract. I'd be very surprised if you can just pick some random individual of the street, stick them on your policy and presto get a big discount.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭shane b


    I already have my wife on my policy to avail of that discount😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Yes you would have to assume there's some breach of the terms

    Insurance are not stupid and putting down some randommer for a discount will surely be covered by the terms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Iguarantee


    What age is this guy?

    €2300 is a huge amount of money for insurance, new driver or not. Is that fully comprehensive or just 3rd party?

    What’s he driving? Maybe that’s why his quote is enormous?

    I’d run a mile from his request by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭User1998


    Good decision. If it wasn’t for the license and personal details there would be practically no risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Can't remember the list of persons that be added as a named driver when I last renewed my policy but assume it has to be a partner or relative.Or maybe someone living at the same address.But not a random stranger-work colleague or not,the boss even



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭User1998


    This is completely false. You can add a friend or a work colleague or who ever you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Which part? Insurance expert replying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭User1998


    All of it. There is no ‘list of persons’ you can add. And it doesn’t have to be a partner or relative, or someone living at your address. You are entitled to add a work colleague or your boss if they intend on using the vehicle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭kirving


    Insurance companies work off statistical likelihoods. Statistically, the theory would be that drivers who have someone (anyone) else listed on their policy, are less likely to be involved in a collision. It could be for any number of reasons whatsoever, maybe....

    • the second driver is a parent who bought the car and the child feels compelled to be careful,
    • the lower risk driver takes over on longer journeys, so less tired driving,
    • the type of person to even consider that they may be tired/over the limit one day is a safer driver,
    • people with close friends could be safer drivers,
    • the main driver may equally be named on the named drivers other policy, so drives that car sometimes,
    • "car guys" are more likely to crash, and also less likely to put a randommer on their precious car,

    Who knows? In any case, adding another person who may actually never drive the car is not fronting, it's not illegal, and it's not risky for the person added to the policy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭kirving


    Noone knows any of those for sure, which is why I said "statistically", "could be", "maybe", and "who knows?"

    Even the team of actuaries calculating insurance risk may not even know themselves.

    But at lease some of their models must show that adding a second driver to a policy reduces risk, and therefore premium, because people are being offered lower premiums when adding a second driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    If you're being added to a policy and not driving

    It's basically a fiddle

    I just assume insurance know that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭kirving


    How is it a fiddle? Please explain, using a link to a policy document which states that it is not allowed.

    Even AXA themselves say that they make assumptions when they suggest doing it on their own website...

    So do Chill (Insurance Broker)

    And Dooley (Insurance Broker)

    And USwitch

    And Citizens Information

    And RAC (Insurer)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,782 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Works the other way around also. My dad is in his late 70's and has added me to bring down his insurance cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    It's clearly a deception imo as the named driver is not intended to use the car

    I didn't state this was mentioned in the policy document

    Merely that insurance is likely aware of this ruse and therefore it may come back to bite you some wal

    Post edited by tomhammer.. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    There is no compulsion for a named driver to ever use the vehicle.

    Would I add a randomer to my policy? Never



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    I admit I'm wrong then

    Seems a bit odd with insurance that you can add someone to reduce the premium without any neccessity for them to drive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    I think you can even get a discount if you put on a named L-driver!

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    The accompanying driver might have had a claim in the past few years or points on their licence.

    A clean drivers licence with no claims will give the best discount, while others would actually raise the premium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭on_the_roots


    What is still unclear to me is the implication of any claims on the policy for the named driver.


    - Will named driver get affected on their NCB even if not driving in the event of the accident?

    - Will named driver have to disclose it in future quotes/renewals?



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