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Russia has picked / is picking the ‘low hanging fruit’ when it comes to Getting private Russians to join the army. I suggest that the more it recruits the more resistance it will come across. We have already seen glimpses of that . I know that Putin has his ‘WAYS’ of convincing individuals to join -eg withdraw all payments/services to them ; threaten the whole family in some other way .

The above scenario must be clicking in more and more. The UKr army should therefor be increasingly facing Russian soldiers that DO NOT want to be in the war zone , their low moral would would be getting worse, etc.

@Polar101 Have to agree, it's a ridiculous number. It would pretty much mean every single Russian soldier who visited Ukraine either died or was injured. There's no realistic way it can be accurate.

There are countless blog posts, phone intercepts and other accounts indicating that it is indeed a realistic assertion. Over and over we hear of a group of a hundred Russians going out and only ten comeing back. Or twenty refuse to go "over the top" so they're thrown in a pit by their commanding officers and left to rot.

@jmreire Thats a very conservative figure for the disabled at 2 injured per 1 killed. 3.1 is nearer to the truth, and in Ukraine during 2022, the ratio recorded was 5 wounded to 1 killed.

From the start of this war, and especially in the early stages, numerous (western) commentators were estimating troop losses on the Russian side by extrapolating data from various historic conflicts, and regularly applied the 3-injured-to-1-killed formula in defensive situations. What this never took into account is that the Russians, whether by deliberate choice or sheer incompetence, have applied the principle of "leave no-one alive" to their own troops. "Attack, even if it's pretty certain you'll be killed, or I'll shoot you myself. Wounded and need evacuation? Feck off and die, you're no use to anyone now. Oh, you made it back and need medical treatment? Good luck - the nearest doctor is in Moscow."

So I would be fairly confident that taking the numbers prepared for the initial 2022 invasion plus the successive "scheduled annual mobilisation" cohort plus the numbers of prisoners recruited by Wagner (then the Russian MoD) plus the L/DPR conscripts we'd arrive a total over a million; and out of that, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 75% never returned to Mother Russia.

Even after the end of hostilities, it'll be really hard to get accurate information on this, especially as there are so many bodies left uncollected (at least those where there's anything left to collect) but I reckon we'll see a very clear impact in the demographic charts in due course. And I think it'll be much worse than expected.

But that's essentially already happening with the various aid packages the majority of the actual money was staying in America and going to American companies, while at the same time US defence companies made record sales to foreign buyers

Whatever about the dead /injured ratio in the current war in Ukraine, in previous wars, where there were accurate counts of both dead and injured (in military's who cared for their soldiers, unlike Putin's regime) a very conservative figure of 2-1 was what was arrived at, but realistically, it would have been 3-1+. There has been reports coming from the Russians, about their own wounded being abandoned, even when they could have been saved. And then you have Putin's cash saving efforts when it came to paying the bereaved families compensation....no body? no cash. So my figures of 365'000 dead, multiplied by 2 = 730 injured., is pretty reasonable. And bear in mind that these figures, based on reports from Ukraine, are possibly out if date by now.

I'm not disputing the total number of casualties - just that I think a huge number of the 730k you'd estimate as "injured" are more likely to be dead, alongside the other 365k.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Russian killed/injured ratio is 1:1.

My point is, if in a standard war ratio is 1:3, say 100k killed, 300k injured. In russia, a big part of those 300k injured, would be left to die, or wouldn't get required treatment and then die. Then it would make 200k dead and 200k injured.

But that's where a lot of the money is actually going and it's obsolete weapons mostly too that would have cost them to destroy.

It's entirely reasonable for Ukraine as a state to ask/ demand that anyone who meets criteria for serving in this war and who has fled the country, to return voluntarily or be returned. That is their basic duty as citizens and they should not be given a free pass to escape it.

I'm surprised that we don't hear more here from the Ukrainian refugee community and the Ukrainian ambassador on this subject. If they want to sustain public support for our sheltering them, then they need to pull their fingers out and comply with requests from their native country.

One would've assumed that TV news broadcasting would make the US public more aware of world events today than they were during World War 2 and even more so than they were during the Vietnam War because of the proliferation of cable news channels.

Even Fox News doesn't ignore world events!

So how is it that the availability of breaking news on TV hasn't changed the isolationists' minds?

Wouldn't approval by Capitol Hill still be necessary for the sending of military equipment to Ukraine?

Didn't stop Biden bypassing Congress on approval recently for selling arms to Israel.

I'm sure there are ways around it all, but the biggest issue would be with EU companies loosing out to American companies. I assume all, if not most of that EU money will be staying within the EU.

A picture paints...

Maybe a deserter in Ukraine's eyes, in the EU's eyes they are seen as refugees.

Can Ireland even extradite people who will be conscripted into an active war zone?

Should we also extradite any Russians also? Need to be consistent and not just single out Ukrainians.

One would be to help Ukraine and no one outside of the Socialist Meps ilk want to help Russia so the others wouldnt be send.