Ian Bailey RIP - threadbans in OP

"Overwhelming circumstantial evidence", "hundreds of pieces".

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Seriously, there's SFA - a few haggard pieces which when looked at in a jaundiced light and given legs by lies, misrepresentations and manufactured evidence just about qualify him as consideration as a suspect - for about five minutes.

Upset? The opposite. I find it quite funny that people still fall back on a DPP report that has been shown to be shambolic by the passage of time. But carry on. Some of the theorizing that goes on here reads like a bad episode of Murder She Wrote, where the obvious suspect is never the killer. I do like a bit of humour with my cornflakes and coffee.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story. The is circumstantial evidence that the French looked at it for 10 years. Case closed haha.

Obvious suspect?

Daniel is an obvious suspect. All set to divorce his unfaithful wife and shack up with his new (pregnant IIRC?) squeeze. Stands to gain financially. Never interviewed by the Gardai and doesn't even come to Ireland. Somewhat eyebrow raising story about being all pally with his soon to be divorced wife, and how he's arranged to collect her from an Aer Lingus flight that doesn't exist.

Alfie is an obvious suspect. Known to have had beefs with Sophie re land and the gate. Lives next door. Involved with drugs. 'Didn't hear nuttin' the night of a vicious murder.

Now before I get attacked as a conspiracy theorist, I'm not saying either of them killed her - I have no idea who did, but I'd be reasonably confident Alfie didn't - but surely either of them is a hell of a lot more of an obvious suspect than the chap who has no known connection with her and whose involvement in the killing requires belief in quite a fanciful timeline - and against whom not a scrap of solid evidence exists.

Nope you’re not a conspiracy theorist- these are clear leads that should have been investigated - those and others too. The couple of men who died at their own hand may well have held the truth too- but that ship has long sailed.

Obviously all these people remain innocent in the eyes of the law- as I know you agree too.

Theres a huge difference between highlighting a clear and obvious line of investigation that wasn’t properly followed up or even investigated in the first place and a conspiracy theory.

Why West Pork? Was it because it’s a pigs ear of a programme? 🤪

Hoof Cuffs or spancils, it’s part of the kit in the boot of the Garda cars.

It doesn't have to "require" a conspiracy. Statement without foundation.

Witnesses can be mistaken. Over time, memories play tricks on people. Even eye witnesses of actual crimes can get facts wrong. And we have no eye witnesses here to the crime, just observations of indirect things.

But as it happens we have multiple instances of Gardai conspiring on this case in unsafe and illegal conduct, also including witnesses. And tampering with evidence.

But strangely that's a "conspiracy" that doesn't bother you. Proof positive this is a bad faith argument.

Daniel or those associated with him was never ruled in as a suspect because the guards were precluded from investigating him.

Two guards talking about altering a witness statement is a conspiracy.

Guard(s) destroying evidence is a conspiracy.

Unsafe conduct with witnesses is a conspiracy. The shenanigans with Marie Farrell and Martin Graham was a conspiracy.

There are multiple witnesses supporting Baileys version of events, witnesses from inside and outside the household.

Over time, witness recollections become ever more unreliable, including statements made by people involved in the case such as Bailey and Jules. Witnesses who have actually witnessed crimes can get details wrong. Multiple that effect by years and years of time.

The Guards in the area whipped the locals up into a hysteria with smears about Bailey, that's a conspiracy.

Witness the humiliating conduct of a grown man like Bill Fuller reduced to a gibbering wreck when he thought he spotted Bailey in a field!

The trial you refer to was not a murder trial. It was a libel case on specific questions.

And it wasn't just one DPP who didn't proceed with prosecution versus Bailey, but multiple ones, including after a Garda review of the evidence in 2002 which did re-interview witnesses:

2002, January: Commissioner Pat Byrne appoints a review team under Chief Supt Austin McNally to examine the Garda investigation into the murder of Ms Toscan du Planter following Mr Sheehan’s highly critical analysis of the original investigation.

2003, March: A new file is submitted to the DPP following the McNally review but the DPP, James Hamilton, again decides against a prosecution due to lack of evidence but says that the matter will be reviewed if any new evidence comes to light.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/01/21/ian-baileys-three-decades-in-ireland-accusations-assaults-legal-battles-media-scrutiny/

That same review is described also in The Irish Independent:

The DPP's report angered the garda team that investigated Ms Du Plantier's murder. On the strength of it, the Garda Commissioner dispatched two chief superintendents to review the murder inquiry, Austin McNally and Joe McGarty. They took a team to West Cork and reviewed the evidence. Suspects were revisited, statements analysed, and witnesses re-interviewed. Their inquiry revealed similar shortcomings as the DPP's review but produced no fresh suspects.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-complex-and-secret-private-life-of-fragile-sophie/26805384.html

But sure, your point has already been totally discredited above, let's hand over the legal process to the keystone armchair detectives and lawyers in the West Cork Podcast over that of multiple DPPs.

The only conspiracies that have been established in this case all relate to Garda misconduct.

Oh stop with your factually correct statements will you - you’re derailing the thread 🤪

You might have to explain that to some on here who couldn't be bothered doing a bit of their own research.

I’m very conscious few on this thread know the origins of that picture or remember the TV series it came from 😀

Or read this?