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Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    It was Alfie hiding something in the block according to someone today😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    The Fanboys love discussing how it would have been almost physically impossible for Bailey to have committed the crime because of the imaginary times they post about and then exaggerate.

    What time did Bailey and Jules leave the pub? Nobody knows as the only times provided are by Bailey. (Lol)

    What time did they arrive back at Jules properties, a 10 minute drive away? About an hour and a half later according to Bailey. (LOL).

    What happened after that? Take your choice, but according to Bailey, on reflection after finding out his only alibi changed their mind and told the truth that he wasn't with them, he suddenly then remembered he was definitely on his own the whole night and had no alibi.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    I believe Sophie probably figured very large in baileys thoughts

    That statement about only ever seeing her once from a distance doesn't ring true

    It sounds like an attempt to minimise his knowledge of her



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The Fanboys love discussing how it would have been almost physically impossible for Bailey to have committed the crime because of the imaginary times they post about and then exaggerate.

    Why is it necessary for you to insult people who have a different perspective on the case to you?

    Edit: as has been stated many times on both threads, nobody has been supporting Bailey but have been critical of the whole investigation and our police force publicly blaming and concocting evidence against one suspect based on extremely flimsy evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Yeah no doubt about that.

    Numerous people have testified that he told them he knew her and friends of Sophies testified that she told them she knew him, this has been accepted by courts.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Why would you choose to take offence at one word in a 4 paragraph post that is encouraging discussion?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Really?

    You might provide some respected Irish journalist links to that claim - I imagine the Gardai in their current review of their investigation would also be extremely interested if you could provide a credible link between Ian Bailey and Sophie - in fact, the whole of Ireland would be glued to your post.

    You see, parr of the problem to date in terms of Baileys proposed olde trail at the four goldmines, is that the poor Gardai cannot link Bailey to Sophie - and lord knows they’ve tried- so if you have that “link”- well jayzuz, that’s a horse of a different colour completely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower



    The best way you can learn anything Oscar is to look it up yourself.

    Everyday is a schoolday, start with the libel trials.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Also the French guy who spoke of her being friends with an eoin bailey



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Why on earth would that chap or any of the other people who testified that they knew one another lie?

    Bailey himself admitted/let it slip that he knew Sophie.

    This is all common knowledge to anyone with a genuine passing interest in the case.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    You’re not that clever so don’t think your “pithy” little reply suffices, considering you’ve posted reams of meaningless text when you’re in full flow trying to support your very weak argument that Bailey is guilty of the crime of murder in Ireland - your sophistry doesn’t really do anything to further dialogue - it’s clear that your view is just “my way or the highway” - it would be good if you could just admit that so we can all move on from your falsehoods

    Oh yeah sorry I forgot- searched google as per your guidance- they responded with “you’re having a laugh aren't ya?’



  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal


    I find her the most mysterious and suspicious in all of this

    her husband has a history of violent assaults, it’s also said in an interview that one of the guards who she was very close to said she told him her husband had assaulted her

    yet she publicly says she was out with another man, a man she refused to name

    quoted in the Irish times “guards said if I gave a few lines of a statement they would keep my secret and the fact I had a daughter in Longford”

    the latter has never been mentioned again or proven to be true so I’m presuming this is another lie if she can make up she has a child I think she’s made up the whole lot from the very start



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Because it is trolling the thread, as I'm sure you know!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Hard to take you seriously with posts like this.

    During Baileys 2004 libel trial, Alfie Lyons stated he was 90% sure he introduced Bailey and Sophie. The judge accepted on balance it was true they were introduced and found against Baileys claim. Now I just know someone will allege that Alfie was put up to this by the gardai, but there is no evidence of this and if he was doing the garda bidding he'd say it was 100% true.

    Now its one thing for people to speculate if they knew each other, but you can't really argue with a judge who determines who is telling the truth.

    Multiple other wisnesses have stated there was evidence of a connection including the French friend who said Sophie was in contact with an Eoin Bailey.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You're the one trolling and looking for a reaction with your posts about a 3rd murder weapon that you know never existed.

    How about addressing the points I made in the post you are faux insulted by instead of trying to sidetrack the thread because the facts don't suit your narrative?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Makes no sense that she would give an interview to The Irish Times talking about something she wanted kept secret.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Really? Hard to take my posts seriously? Seriously?

    Oh dear. That isn’t good. Ok let’s change that and get a quote from one of your wonderful “witnesses” that your claiming can kick Bailey into oblivion forever more:

    here you go:

    “Ms Thomas admitted her memory was ‘a bit polluted’ and could not say if Ms Toscan du Plantier had used Bailey’s name, but she knew he was an aspiring poet at the time.”

    That’s your response is it? Your total evidence that Ian Bailey is a murderer?

    OK, let’s recap here :

    tobefrank321 thinks Ian Bailey murdered Sophie because some French “friend” mentioned a “poet’ who’s name she couldn’t recall, in a phone call - and she brought this to the attention of Gardai how many years later after her dear friend was brutally murdered?

    SO- you have an “INTRODUCTION” (L whatever that means ) that may or may not have happened and some “witness” who claimed years later after her supposed friend was murdered that Sophie mentioned a poet in a phone conversation.

    you know what tobefrank321- I wouldn’t be running to the guards with that information - they’ve already tried that pitch - DPP said neh naaaah!

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/witness-tells-court-sophie-toscan-16215551?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I can't be the only one who doesn't have a clue what this post is about?

    The friend was Gui Girard.

    I read the mirror article, and its interesting. Weird poet trying to recite poetry to her. Sounds very much like Bailey to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    your posts are getting shorter the closer I’m getting to the truth of your own posts- funny that 😀



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Nope they are getting shorter because I'm tired. We will resume this tomorrow!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..



    "1999, March: French film maker, Guy Girard comes forward to tell gardaí how Sophie Toscan du Plantier had told him in early December 1996 about this friend she had in Ireland called Ian Bailey who was exploring themes of violence in his writings."


    It's a stretch to believe the above is somehow made up



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’ve no intention of doing so - I responded to your post and refuted all arguments put forward- not much more to say unless you’ve more “evidence” that Bailey is guilty.

    Pleasant dreams and fantasises @tobefrank321



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    How about not changing things and sticking to the fact that it is really hard to take you seriously.

    Of course you can have your own opinion, but surely you know you can't have your own facts.

    Might be best if you wait and see what the result of The Cold Case Review is because I think you are seriously underestimating the skills of the team involved.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Lied about his alibi

    Various excuses for the scratches

    Probably also lied about not knowing Sophie

    Confessed to the murder


    That's a hell of a lot of coincidences for an innocent man



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    To be precise he wanted to discuss themes of domestic violence with Sophie.

    A field he had vast experience in and actually specialised in.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Haven't a clue what you’re saying because most of your post is just jibberish but considering you’ve been putting down posters all week who don’t subscribe to your view that “Bailey is a murderer”, sorry, can’t take a letter of what you say seriously



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    A “probably”?

    Hang him at dawn so… … must be guilty with a “probably”…oh wait… what?

    He’s dead already?

    How dare he!



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,182 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How does gardening on the other side of the property in Alfies give you that level of understanding of the pump house in Sophies?

    Alfie ticks a lot of boxes as far as a suspect goes. There is the issue as to whether he could wield the cavity block, but the cavity block presents a question for any theory about the murder: how did they know that the blocks could be loosened, why go out of the way to use it, why inflict so much damage on the pump house to get a particular block when there were other blocks and rocks to hand?

    It's not a scattergun approach. It shows what happens when you can base your case on speculation and weak circumstantial evidence, as the Guards have done v Bailey. They are on record themselves as calling it a flimsy case - and that was when they were trying to present Marie Farrell's 3am sighting as credible.

    It's entirely possible the Guards are wrong about Bailey, on balance of probabilities I think he is innocent. The Guards investigated him by fair means and foul and came up with next to nothing. Nothing actually directly linking him to the crime and an entirely speculative motive with few if any previous examples. Two DPPs rejected the evidence, even after a Garda re-examination of the evidence. Therefore it is entirely valid to consider alternative explanations.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    I've never said he definitely killed her

    There isn't enough evidence to show that

    There's enough circumstancial evidence though to make him the prime suspect

    Which he was and still is by all accounts

    I think at this stage we need to await the "new" details hopefully to draw a highly likely conclusion

    A conclusion of some sort is badly needed here



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