Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

John Hellen was the one who told the Gardai about the missing kindling axe.

Finbarr and John Hellen were both close enough to Sophie’s house around 2:30 on Sat to see her in her kitchen and wave to her, according to Finbarr. This timing did not tally with sightings of Sophie in Schull on Sat.

There was another couple in the locality who also had horses, and used to graze them on Alfie’s fields.

It's an interesting article. PhilMathers also put forward the hypothesis that she was killed in the morning. The lack of alcohol in her urine is pretty strong evidence.

Photos of the pumphouse show the lid was torn off. It's normal to assume the killer did this. If the killer didn't do this, then who did? I doubt a neighbour or Sophie would do this.

It's interesting that her friends said that she often wore her boots in the house as the floors were cold. I wonder if there a source for this? She had slippers with her. They're in the bathroom in a photo.

The caffeine in her system is interesting also, but without knowing the amount, it's difficult to infer anything from it. Caffeine has a half life of 4 to 6 hours. She had tea in the pub so it could just be this.

Sorry now to burst yours and Phils bubble but it's not normal to think the killer ripped the roof off a pumphouse some distance away to get a block to be used as a murder weapon when there were plenty of heavy rocks at hand.

It's not normal or logical. It takes a particularly vivid imagination to believe this even might have happened.

I kinda feel sorry for all the lads here who spent so much time and effort trying to convince themselves and others this was what happened.

When I say "I kinda feel sorry" that means the opposite. LOL.

Who do you think ripped the lid off the pumphouse so?

So you're saying she died in the morning and the gardai have missed this evidence until now

Are you the first to discover this change in the direction of the investigation or did you read this somewhere else?

It's possible that he feared that he would be implicated by the Guards in Ireland and held there longer than expected, and he also had a job to do as well, looking after his income. After all he had financial issues. Back then Ian Bailey wasn't the focus, and family members and husbands are always easy focus number one, especially if there are financial issues, and avoiding a costly divorce at stake. Daniel knew all this to a very high degree, - anybody would have in this situation.

It may also have been, that Daniel had no feelings for his wife anymore, and his next wife gotten pregnant pretty soon after Sophie's death. It is very much possible Daniel was already having an affair with his new wife to be, while Sophie was in Ireland.

All that said, purely from a financial perspective, Daniel Toscan DuPlantier hat the motive number one. This doesn't mean or prove he's the killer and also doesn't prove he hired somebody or knew a friend who knew somebody who did it for money. But it's a very very strong motive which can't be denied and the Guards obviously missed.

It laughable that you think the gardai done a good job investigating this murder. It really is!

Given what we know about the west cork gardai its definite they missed evidence through lack of maintaining the crime scene, stupidity and pure bullheadedness

What actually happened with Marie Farrell that night has never been confirmed - we still dont know the truth. Was she out that night with some random unnamed man? Then why didnt the gardai demand to speak to this man? Why didnt her hot headed husband Chris separate from her given how public it was made that his wife was out with another man - it seems out of character for him to forgive her.

My own opinion is that Marie was at home in bed but the question still remains who she was lying for and who made her tell the lies.

Why hasnt she suffered legally for her part in all of this? She was a major witness who told lie after lie.

That's the problem with picking and choosing what you want from an article to suit your narrative.

Had you chose to continue your quote you would have included this bit;

What do you think of this assessment, bearing in mind what you can see for yourself from the crime scene photos?

Never said that.

I said there's lots of evidence to suggest she died in the morning.

There is no accurate estimate time of death.

The dogs barking is evidence she died 12 to 2am.

There's little point in firing out links saying up to 12 hrs

I don't think there's any scientists here

I believe there's different types of tests and presumably up to 12 hrs depends on the amount drank

So for all we know it could be 4-6hrs for a glass of wine

Orangehyme was claiming this was strong evidence but we simply don't know this unless there's any scientist here that can confirm ?

Up to 12 hours presumably is the upper limit for larger quantities of alcohol

So like many of orangehymes theories it doesn't seem to me strong evidence of time of death

Unless he has info to show otherwise

That's for blood.

12 to 24 hours for alcohol in urine. Can be up to 72 hours for high consumption.

We know she was drinking wine at the Ungerers. She had two glasses of wine and left at 5.45 pm. She also likely drank a glass at home that evening or night.

5.45 pm + 12 hours = 5.45 am.

If she was killed at 2am, why was no alcohol detected in her urine?

As I said, I have more faith in Professer John Harbison's opinion.

Ok, so you just picked the part that seemed to suggest that the block was not taken from the pumphouse, but was already on the other side of the lane holding the gate open?