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Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

  • 04-02-2024 9:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    We've seen many fires now of potential new migrant centres around the country and yet not one single arrest yet.



    Threadbans:

    Abozzz

    Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice? 527 votes

    Yes, this is unacceptable and we need to take our share of refugees
    54% 287 votes
    Yes, I support the protests but arson takes it too far
    23% 125 votes
    No, I'd rather not see any arrests
    21% 115 votes
    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Yes. Crime is crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,965 ✭✭✭gifted


    Yep, crime is crime but the government should be getting the message by now. The people have had enough. It's only a matter of time before someone loses a life in these fires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,414 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They should be hung by the balls in my considered opinion



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Are you suggesting that the people who set fire to buildings should be allowed to continue unhindered and unpunished?

    Only a matter of time before one of these buildings isn't as empty as they think and potentially someone squatting, sleeping rough or just in the wrong place at the wrong time is injured or killed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    The cost of vandalism ultimately hits the majority of us.

    I honestly don't know if these buildings where privately owned or government owned.

    Either way insurance will be claimed....there's our premiums increasing.

    Guaranteed there will also be taxpayers money spent on clean up/rebuild too.

    The cost of the fire brigade.....doubt you'd be too happy if those resources were busy, while your own house is burning, or a car crash etc.

    There's also the waste of destroying a perfectly good building....which will now be rebuilt (eventually I presume) , at the moment building materials cost are at an all time high.....an extra increase in demand is not helpful.

    So yeah it would be nice to see people held accountable for the absolute waste.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,209 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Leo has insisted that Ireland was not a racist country or that the political climate had changed in response to the arrival of more than 100,000 refugees fleeing war-torn Ukraine, though he did accept there is “rising concern” about migration in the country.

    “Some of that is understandable and legitimate concerns. That shouldn’t be dismissed,”

    that’s a laughable statement really..from the outset Leo has been completely and 100% dismissive of any and all concerns…

    A government report in ‘23 showed 76 % of people who migrated to Ireland in ‘22 did not register their asylum application at a port or an airport.

    yet… Leo subsequently stated that it was a myth that Ireland had open borders and no immigration controls… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

    so when you have a politician coming out with that, it’s simply stoking the flames so to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Let's pretend that the poll is a jury.

    Bricks and mortar have a value but does the fabric of the community?

    Some would argue the government are setting fire to this fabric



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,726 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Odd poll

    Where is the:

    I have some concerns but arson is a disgrace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Odd response to a poll when I clearly put this as the middle option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No it's not a real choice which I suspect you know ... Support the protests is another thing entirely .

    Arson is a crime and should be punishable as a crime , nothing to do with whether you support a protest , think that we should accept our ' share of refugees ' , or not .

    In fact putting that in as the first option is a classic bias in a poll.

    Should have another option ○" yes think it's unacceptable regardless of opinion re refugees" , to be fair and accurate .





  • People need to be held accountable for setting fire. I totally support peaceful protest, but fire is a killer, it’s fairly inevitable that somebody will actually get killed. It’s a bit strange that there are no arrests YET. Are there not CVTV cameras at these places with remote viewing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭LubaDriver


    Doesn't matter, I highly doubt that there will be arrests let alone convictions. Arson is near impossible to prove.

    Carrys a max sentence of life so anyone that is convicted is facing a stretch instead.

    Interesting poll results Vs the comments on the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Yes, I would. But for none of the reasons that you put in your poll replies after “Yes”, so I won’t tick any of the boxes.

    My answer is “Yes, because I would like to see what is ultimately behind the so far obvious no-arrests policy as currently in play”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,726 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    You can have reservations about the States capacity without joining protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Leo said there would be arrests for the previous fires but it turned out that him and the guards were lying about that. They really need to stop that nonsense and just focus on the investigations.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra



    Sounds like a trite attempt at justifying arson.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭nachouser


    They should be made to mine moon rocks on the moon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,209 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I agree 100%. Also, it’s only a matter of time before someone who verifiably shouldn’t be here, does something dangerous like attacking kids and adults outside a school with a knife and, get charged with attempted murder….ohhhh, wait… 🫥 might only be a matter of time before somebody or some people end up with something more serious than a hospital stay…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    When I read the OP I thought this would surely be locked and deleted in no time. Oh the irony



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Such fires also create more discontent and endanger lives. Also there's a fair argument that it's an act of terrorism. Instead of saying "some would argue", why not actually tell us what you think...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    theres so many people getting away with various crimes ie Burglaries, drug dealing , drug debt intimidation etc etc it’s hard to decide which is worst !

    Our prisons are full anyways so there’s no room for anyone unless you murder someone !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    This is total lunacy.

    Ignoring the lawto cause harm tp people and property isnt acceptable in a democracy.

    How can stuff like this be poted?

    Methinks there is a very good chance that any migrants being accommodated are a greater asset to the country than the thugs who have no respect for law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Mods are posting on thread

    I’m envious of your bank holiday nonetheless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Dangerous route to achieving a goal. I don't like it at all but I can see why the people of those localities are doing it.

    Government need to be more open with communities, explain who is coming, what is being put in place in terms of services and support and try to move forward that way.

    As it stands, it appears the only way communities know there are people coming is when they see action at a run down property. This unknown only increases the fear in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    In my mind, it's simple. We can't pick and choose which laws we want to follow.


    Have an issue with government decisions, vote for another party. Contact your local td. Run for election.


    We need laws abide by. If you don't follow them, there should be consequences



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    We might as well pull down the shutters on this site if we allow equivocation concerning such a serious crime as arson.



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    Knowing how the Garda have agents in all politically active groupings it's inconceivable that they don't have a very good idea who the perpetrators were all along. It's served someone politically to let this carry on and now it's got out of hand so they are rushing to try to stamp it out. It's a bit late for that as copy cat right wing thugs will think they can get away with it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Don't be so dramatic

    If the poll was "should Ian bailey have been extradited to France"

    Would you want the site closed down for that too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Yes and mobs taking the law into their own hand are a justifiable solution?

    Concerned about migrants, dangerous dogs or parking outside school gates?

    Then you have a democratic system in place, people to speak out on your behalf after taking ALL interests into account.

    A mob does not do detail, but sees things very simplistically, they act in response to a stimulus they see as bad and never consider the bigger picture.

    Addressing a bunch of thugs who's first answer is violence is hardly going to explain the big picture is it?

    A modern day problem is that the internet allows people to seek out news and opinions that reinforce sometimes extreme views, the material is simplistic and does not need the attention span that real life decisions should take into account.

    What a country some people seem to want to make for themselves, whether it's cars and buses torched at improvised road blocks or migrant accommodation, I see no bloody difference between the two acts.

    It beggars belief that such activities are seen as being acted out out of nationalistic motive. Any nation would be better off without them.

    Protest is healthy in a democracy, criminal damage and intimidation is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The gardai have almost certainly no informers in the groups that organised this as it's likely most if not all of these fires are carried out by people who a) were never involved in something like this before b) locally organised around this single issue.

    There may be names and rumours circulating in the communities that the gardai are aware of. There is a long road to be travelled to get from names to arrests though. I suspect no one is talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Trying to deflect by bringing in a totally unrelated case.

    Won't work.

    Your poll is a disgrace and this site should not host it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭scottser


    Nobody in their right mind should be thinking anything else but this, and its only right that this was the first comment.

    Burning hotels. Seriously, cop the fuk on. I hope the absolute cunz that have been doing this get life, and the 26% of ye **** on here die roaring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Not deflecting anything.

    This topic is about arson attacks that are widely discussed in the media in which no perpetrator is found.

    The case of Sofie Toscan duplantier is about a more serious crime in which no perpetrator was found.

    Just because you feel more strongly about the former does not mean the site should be closed down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    That might be a tad difficult.

    People attacking a defenceless building surreptitiously, or from the anonymity of a mob would probably be better suited to being strung p by a more substantial appendage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    So you think one crime us a justification for another?

    Where does that lead to ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    These threads are going to do that in the future .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Brittas community cafe said that nit only do thise protesting represent them but that those protestors knew the place was about to be torched.

    What does that say about " the protestors " ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Perhaps treat them how they treat others: burn their homes down? Court should at minimum seize their assets for restitution; it would be fitting if their former home housed refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Still don't actually want to clearly state what your position is though... Instead it's just pretending to be on the fence on the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have you ever seen a fire ?

    The danger to life and property is immediate .Not to mention our fire services .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And the perps have to be fairly sophisticated if they haven't been caught on any sort of CCTV, after over a dozen burnings surely officials would ensure a site is protected by active and passive security before it is announced as a location for refugee housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Nobody wants to give you the opportunity to tut tut and look down your nose at them. Your black and white reality is and always will be a pipedream.

    The funny thing about all this is the people who want an arrest the least are the government!! The government simply cannot stand this being a hot topic. An arrest would only prolong the attention on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No I think two dozen hotels going up in flames in Ireland prolongs and internationalizes attention to it.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    You can be intelligent, or you can burn down empty buildings because social media told you “d’immigrantsizcumming”, but it’s one or the other…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Putting lives at risk by burning down buildings is pretty scummy behavior. Tbh, anyone I know views it as such. So we can assume so that you think they're doing the right thing? And don't think they should be arrested? Cause they're saving the fabric of Irish society through arson? I'd also suspect the people who are doing this have an existing criminal history but sure patriots in your eyes.


    I'd suspect the state would be happy with arrests at this stage cause not getting a handle on arsonists burning down buildings on a weekly basis reflects terribly on policing. Plus if somebody is killed as a result of one of these, that reflects on the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,856 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Not only should they be brought to justice, they should be made pay for the reinstatement of the property they destroyed. Can't afford it? Then it's time to rent a few rooms out in their own place whilst they atone in prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    A horrible crime that is the work of people without the intelligence to see the bigger picture.

    We have to accept whatever number the EU decides. People have to be housed somewhere obviously and torching buildings isn't going to stop this. Instead it's costing the country money. It's putting lives at risk and just stalling the inevitable.


    The government have no one to blame but themselves for their cackhanded approach to this issue.


    Hoping to sneak X amount of people into some old nursing home/hotel without proper calm and clear discussion with people living in the area is going to cause trouble.

    And the arsonists will play up any fears that people have.



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