Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

Good point. I consider today our first league defeat of the season, the debacle against Spurs not counting. Arsenal 100% value for their win. But you're right - it's a tough away fixture out of the way. Onwards and upwards, although I will say that it does make the Anfield game vs City probably a must win now (knowing City will likely win the vast majority of their remaining games).

True. I'd nearly put my house on Arsenal finishing no higher than 3rd. It's between City and Liverpool.

Poor today, defence poor but were under pressure all game, trent very poor and Bradley a big loss, martinelli skinned trent who is a woeful defender and we looked more dangerous last few games with a proper right full who gets up and down and gets his crosses in, grav very poor too, I've been very disappointed with him and not sure what he contributes to us, up front pity we couldn't start Darwin as Diaz woefully out of form and gapko is very poor all season, big wake up call this game and will be good to get Bradley, mo, endo and few more back

It won’t be today, it’s more points dropped against Brighton/Luton/Utd, where if we were anywhere near our potential we should be taking maximum points out of.

Today was annoying but not a disaster.

No other option. Bradley was unavailable for selection due to his dad dying.

Speaking of which, it makes his recent performances all the more remarkable because his dad had been suffering for a long time and his passing seems to have been expected.

Considering our squad, I'd say there is a 75% chance that if Alonso took over, he'd make it look easy, and could rattle off 3 league titles in a row. I really believe such a thing could happen, simply because of his realism, rather than Klopps unwavering commitment to his playing style, Alonso would most likely buy a baller of a right back or third CB, and relieve Trent of his duties permanently, moving him into midfield, and, thus , turning us into more of a steadfast team, that doesn't rely on Alisson for the last ditch saves that keeps our goals against stats down.

I'm not sure what to say to this.... It's ambitious at least

I wouldn't play Trent at MF over AlMac, Sobo, Jones or Endo tbh.

I really wasn't happy with Konate's 1st yellow, clearly half a dozen of one.

Generally I agree though.

Felt properly robbed after Spurs, don't have that feeling here.

I dunno what game you were watching, but the Anthony Taylor was so obvious today, booking us for fouls, and not booking Arsenal for the same fouls, but even worst. Unreal the rugby tackles today by Arsenal

I've seen far worse from Anthony Taylor. A little bit of a homer, sure, but that's to be expected. Booking Mahogany White for time-wasting in the 1st half was a welcome sight.

Grav’s a long term buy, so shouldn’t really be judged in the context of big games - he shouldn’t have been picked in this one. But he’s excellent to have for the cup runs. Gakpo’s grand as long as we’re on top… definitely 5th choice forward though.

It was a nothing challenge,and Marinelli down holding his head.... FFS.

Some contrast with the shoulder high grab of Darwin a few minutes later that wasn't punished, and then Darwin booked for protesting after a tackle that woild have been a foul in Twickenham!

Taylor didn't cost us the game, we cost ourselves the game, but he was really poor. However, we didn't adapt to the way he was refereeing, we weren't near cynical enough.

True but grav has been poor all season and I know he is young but so is Bradley and he has contributed way more than grav, to me he dosent look to have the fight in him and swans around a bit like pogba used to do, can't see him surviving long term. And today by God trent was fairly skinned, how can a guy who is right back for last 4 or 5 years be so bad at defending

Lots doing the Richard Keys thing of criticising Arsenal's post-game celebrations. Never understood why you'd want to criticise that. They just need to back today up with more wins. It was a huge win for them against one of their main rivals for the title, a team they hadn't beaten this season yet and they were 5 points behind. Good on them. Got what they deserved today as did we.

Exactly, we've been here so many times before, of lads writing off young players within their first few months in a new country at a new club. He has a lot of positives but needs to adapt to the faster pace of the PL, which is just going to take time. He'll be at Liverpool at least until he's 24 - if he's still not adapted by then, he'll be sold on. No need to go panicking about our young 6th choice midfielder just yet.

He's coming back from injury, excuses can be made for everyone,vvd and Becker have to share blame for today, it's a game of small margins, even though they can appear bigger on the statistics,but it was always going to be a tough fixture, sometimes teams that are performing well our expectations rise, maybe the team underestimated arsenal, they are human,on to the next game , don't throw out the baby with the dishwater.

It's not that I'm a fan, so much as I recognise the context in which he's joined, and the context in which he can add value down the line. Not everything has to be immediate. He's clearly part of the longer term plan, while someone like Endo is part of the shorter term plan.

We've seen enough in some of his games (particularly EL) that he's got a lot of attributes that can be very useful once moulded, as he gets used to the quicker pace of the PL. He's a project player with a high ceiling. And we've seen the growth in enough players (like Jones) that we should have learned by now not to get carried away with short term judgements. Player development is a marathon, not a sprint.

In his better games he's been strong, quick, takes the ball well under pressure and turns his man to transition (a bit like Gini used to). Decent dribbler, and has a good surging run with the ball at his feet. He's a lot more comfortable on the left though, another reason why today was a misstep from Klopp (though obviously Klopp is seeing something to have even taken that risk).

I've no problem with saying he wasn't good enough today, and in some other PL games, but this thing we keep seeing of writing-off guys so quickly is baffling to me, especially given the context of a guy who was so so obviously bought for the longer term. I mean, christ, Endo was getting similar stuff despite his development over the first half of the season being so unbelievably textbook "Klopp DM" you could have charted it out the minute he signed (which, incidentally, a few people here literally did).

I just find all the short-term context-ignoring negativity a bit exhausting.

You're not sure there's a long term plan for the raw but talented 21 year old we bought off the back of a move that hadn't worked out for him? I would find it hard to see any justification in any rationale for buying him besides having a longer term plan, and seeing the huge raw potential there.

We've just been through this so much with players, like fellow midfielders Elliott and Jones who are now both providing a level of usefulness that so many wrote off as an impossibility, that it feels a huge waste of energy to be doing the same thing yet again so early in another young footballers PL career. We'll know a year or 18 months for now if that move was a decent one - which is fine, since he's probably 6th choice. That's what 6th choice is for. Young players - especially new young players - deserve some time to settle and develop.

I'm just glad we're at the point of not just watching our games, but City's too. This means we're in a fight.

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