The new recycling system

Sounds like a faulty machine alright. You’d be best telling the shop that owns/licenses it but I’d be steering clear of that one.

It will provide an uncontaminated stream of recyclable material.

The target is to reach 90% recycling by 2030.

The system is supposed to be cost neutral to the consumer but given the current teething problems that's a bit of a hard sell at the moment

That was me being flippant, but if anyone was that cynical to expect fleecing by shops, fair play to them :)

Simply that they can be counted easier.

There was apparently no other way to do this.....

Well, I was referring to the operation of the Return scheme.

You do have a point though and some companies have raised prices.

Their customers deserve transparency on the reasons for the increased prices.

I haven't seen a breakdown showing how much is due to other factors ie. payroll, fuel etc. and how much is down to Return.

This scheme and ReTurn may be non-profit but a good number of people will be getting good salaries out of this, ie CEO's and Directors on the board for example. So, in order to pay them where is the money coming from? We had a reasonably good scheme going and we were exceeding current EU targets for recycling. To me this was created for the Gov't to show we are being green and yet doing sweet f all about it and and divest themselves of any responsibility for further action and have a fallback position.

What comes to mind is Greencore, Telecom Eireann, PMPA, iodine tablets. e-voting machines, and Irish Water!

I am sure all of the top position "employees" were in well paid employment before this scheme commenced. Otherwise their credentials for the positions would not be worth a single recyclable can. I can and will connect to a host of ill thought and blatant lies of the Gov't's of the day about rescue schemes etc.and how long the levy may last, or why it is good for yoyu or how the general population will be better off.

I haven't looked up their cvs.

If you turn out to be right and Return becomes as big a disaster as those on your list I won't be pleased either.

It's not government funded and it's not an NGO.

Would you really prefer if the system was being run by an NGO funded by a government department ?

I'm guessing not.

Return is a not for profit company.

I'm not sure what you meant by the bit at the end about your local shop.

At the end of the day the whole premise/justification behind it is fundamentally flawed.

We're told that ultimately it's to protect the environment and reduce litter - however the type of person who fly-tips or fecks their empty can/bottle out the window as they drive along or leaves it on the beach with all the rest of their crap isn't suddenly going to reform their ways for 15/25c or a few euro at most.

I don't have a recycling bin as I've posted before, yet I've never once dumped so much as a tissue on the street, never mind cans. They stay in the car until I get to a bin - whether it be at the shop/garage or home. That's just how I was raised. I dare say that the vast majority of people are the same, hence our already impressive rates of recycling and waste disposal.

The problem is for profit bin collections and companies operating like cartels in various areas to drive up the price or impose other measures that discourage engagement. It's now compounded by this latest "Green" scam that punishes people for doing the right things until now by charging them more at purchase, making it a ridiculous hoop jumping exercise to claim their "deposit" back, and then charging them AGAIN through increased bin charges.

And ultimately.... Despite the likes of Eamon Ryan and his ideological fantasists veering between lecturing people and trying to make out as though Ireland can save the planet, in the end it'll make zero difference anyway!

Ireland is a small island country with a population less than most major cities. We're simply neither that consequential nor important! When the likes of China, India and other developing nations can (and do) do whatever they want on the subject of "de environment" it matters not a jot how many Coke cans we recycle (or more accurately, crush and sell off to someone in those developing nations) nor how many people spend tens of thousands of Euro on a new "environmentally friendly" EV.

It's optics. It's political posturing and ultimately (as I said earlier) it's just another form of taxation dressed up as a "socially responsible/conscious" measure from a party/Government who is expert in such things. The fact that they can't even get the stupid machines working right from the off (after supposedly just copying working systems elsewhere) shows that once again the "Irish twist" of not learning from other people's mistakes but screwing things up even more continues as usual!

I have no doubt either that once it is bedded in that the costs to the public will rise even more and/or the refunds will reduce. That's just how we do things in Ireland.

It's a scam and I'll certainly not be traipsing around with bags of cans looking for a working machine or fighting with it over the cans/bottles it'll accept or getting the amount owed.

Anyone who believes different is just fooling themselves really.

Just back from the weekly shop in my local ALDI, I noticed the waste bin outside the door was overflowing with cans and plastic bottles among the regular rubbish. The return machine was around the corner and had its own reject slot so it's not like this is people getting rid of rejects. This is people not being bothered to walk the 10 metres to pop their container in the machine. Short of increasing the deposit amount to unreasonable levels I'm not sure this type of person is going to change their ways.

its a fair honest question, the answer is: they don't care, and are making it harder for you to get your deposit back, and more hoops for you to jump through, thats why they don't care and want the container in good condition.

i agree with you a shouldnt matter what condition the container is in at all aslong as the logo is visible, but they're scumbags and are not here to do us any favors, only exist to inconvenience us.

they're too fussy on what is returned and how its returned, entire thing is a piss take.

The "wisdom" was if the RVM rejected the container because of damage you could just happily pop to a different shop that does manual returns and they would be more than happy to process your waste and give you back what is legally yours, your money.

Turns out stores doing manual returns don't really exist, which is hardly surprising.

So you can do what you want to the can, the net result will be the same, you are not getting your money back.

The Green man has to be obeyed at your cost and his convenience.

It's just the way it is and if you question that, you are just a crank.

Not certain about this but it's likely that manual return will be more forgiving of a dent or two.

A machine will only do what it's programmed to do, a human will use their judgement.

They are probably saying bring the can in good condition to make the job as easy as possible.

I imagine they were drank outside the shop by kids or people drank them while doing their shopping. Not specifically brought back. Machine looked fine, and there was certainly nothing wrong with the official reject bin.