The new recycling system

Lots of businesses exist because of legislation.

It's not necessarily a bad thing.

The government legislates and business makes it work.

Not for profit means there are no shareholders, no dividends, any income after expenses is re- invested in the business.

Nobody gets to take money out of the company.

the people they pay for marketting get to go home with money surely? and people they employ?

is there any way we can make a mockery or a joke of this scheme? or benefit off of it? can we do something to atleast get something back from it?

Repack-a non-profit. €3.5 million in staff costs of which I can find 5 high profile individuals.

As I said Return looks like a quango, acts like a quango, meets the above description to most ordinary people and therefore it is a quango. We judge people by what they do more than what they say. We judge organisations by how they act, rather than what they say. And all the evidence to date points to Return being the classic quango.

The Minister:

“One of the big learnings that we took away from our examination of the Deposit Return Schemes in other countries was that everyone in the Deposit Return Scheme chain has to be paid for their work.

Except those consumers being inconvenienced.

"We know that retailers will have stock with no deposits on them, so there will be a transition period, starting on 1 February 2024, when retailers can stock both products on shelves, and at the end of the transition period no one in Ireland can stock a product without a deposit on it.

"The transition period timeline is being finalised and it will be announced in early January. The re-labelling work will begin in August 2023.”

Hmmm seems not a lot of re-labelling has been done since August.

“Another big learning related to how we pay for the scheme. Some consumers will throw cans away and not worry about retrieving the 15 cent deposit, and others will bring their cans or bottles back, so some of the deposits will go unclaimed. This will be used to pay for the scheme.

“In addition, the aluminium and plastic gathered in this scheme will have a very high value, so that will generate further monies which can be used to subsidise the scheme. Deposit Return Schemes were found to be very popular in the countries that we looked at, so I’m confident that once the scheme is up and running, it will prove popular with shoppers and will be well supported.”

No comment.

When the Deposit Return Scheme was launched on 28 November, the chairperson of Deposit Return Scheme Ireland, Tony Keohane, said that households needn't use the green bin for recycling 'in scope' plastic bottles and cans once the scheme is introduced in February 2024.

So can I get a rebate now that I don't need green bin anymore? Oh wait, what about paper and other items not deposit laden? Oh dear!

“When it comes to the targets for aluminium cans, we must have 50% of those recycled by 2025 and 60% by 2030. While these targets are mandatory, we don’t have to operate a Deposit Return Scheme in order to achieve them. However, we have opted to introduce it as we believe it is the best way for Ireland to achieve these important targets.”

So let's set up this quango and absolve the government of any responsibility if targets are not met.

Its the barcode not the logo; and realistically once if can actually read the barcode it'll take them - they don't need to be pristine.

The link in the post you quoted proves Return is not a quango yet you seem to get some comfort from referring to it as such.

the can itself, the labor of seperation being taken out, and the manufacturers who's product you are buying, by not buying it they would not be in businuess. Manufacture paid return also.

The company owes it's existence to a requirement of legislation.

That is not unusual.

Can you imagine the confusion if Return was not a monopoly ?

If you can find a legal way for directors of a not for profit to draw dividends a career in accountancy awaits.

no dividents needed as they can just simply pay them self for being an employee.

surely they're not all volunteers doing this out of the good of their heart for mother nature, no?

thats the bin mens businuess and the governments problem. why should we be made to pay for it, while people who toss rubbish out a car window will still continue to do so? meanwhile the everyday joe who uses his green bin will get taxed if he continues to do so.

convenient for everyone btw

ceo says "people will take the cans thrown out of car windows to reclaim the deposits on them" but that only applies if can isnt crushed or squeezed first and then thrown out the window. its also making people do the governments job, cleaning, instead of tackling the issue themself

the free work angle is self entitled and insane. the 90% goal thing is their problem not ours, why are they forcibly making it our problem? shouldnt they like sweeten the deal?

Map has had two updates of over 100 machines each so far. The only one I knew was missing is now there so maybe its complete, or more likely not.

Bugger all use in finding one if its not on the map of course.

Point of order: dividends are not paid to directors. They are paid to shareholders.

Directors, managers and employees *should* be incentivised to perform, and should be at risk of replacement if not. These incentives may or may not be financial.

This is not mutually exclusive with a not for profit status.

Well said. If our esteemed board of management of ReTurn incurs a huge operating loss, this being set up by legislation of the Dáil, what recourse does the average voter have?

no need for dividends when they pay themselves with wages