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Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Yeah, potentially and theoretically and imaginatively there can be all kinds of things!

    But in reality, and as a matter of fact, there wasn't political choice.

    And fact, as you might come to understand one day, is what matters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Only scumbags would say it's justified in my view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Where are you expecting this political choice to sprout out of, if not from among the people of Ireland?

    If anti-migration movement was 'booed down' it sounds like it was a democratic decision, that's how democracies work.

    I'm not sure what George Orwell has to do with this, 1984 was about One Party controlling everything, that's hardly the case in Ireland, with numerous major political parties and ranked choice voting, any citizen is eligible to enter politics or form their own political party and, if your views are popular enough, they will win seats in government.

    It sounds as though you're upset that political movement isn't easy, it's hard and challenging, takes a long time, and may not guarantee success, so let's just light fire to things and take the easy way out as an impulsive reaction to events.



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    I asked you "has there been political choice on mass migration?"

    You typed something strange to me, but the answer you reluctantly gave was "no", implicitly.

    Check out the other poster attempting to sidestep the question too. Same song and dance.

    Simple question, simple answer.

    That's all there is to it.

    No, there was no political choice, and as we can see from multiple points of history, including directly relevant irish history, into that void grows violence. Here we are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There was a political choice, you just don't like that it would involve any effort on your part.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Like your wind farm poll OP this isn't the result you probably wanted is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Or unable to engage....

    Very simple.

    There is an ignore button for drivel and nonsense being spouted by a pseudo intellectual conspiracy theorist

    Surprisingly only newly minted but sounds sooo familiar.

    So lets not feed it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Only 31, you act like this is a pervasive problem.

    Meanwhile 1,670,000 US tourists came and went with a tourist visa in 2019 without incident.

    Ireland has a process for processing 31 asylum claims I presume, I think they can manage. What's maddening about 31 people claiming asylum, do you have any evidence to show their claims are invalid and should not be honored?

    That means your open borders argument applies in 0.0019% of cases in regards to the US, so your borders are effectively 99.9981% under control with regards to the USA at any rate. How did you maths up to 100% open borders again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    I point to George Orwell for his ideas on manipulation.

    There are people in this very thread who outright refuse to recognise the inherent violence that comes from lack of political representation.

    There are people point blank refusing to accept the reality of unprecedented population increase from abroad and capacity crises.

    There are people who want to lock up arsonists and address nothing, zero, zip, of the reasons for that act.

    There are people who refuse to accept history as any guiding light to the present, refuse distinct parallels.

    There are people who would try to convince that there was a political choice on the matter and all that was standing in the way was to ask for it.

    There are people who refuse to accept the sinister, and blatant, connections between mass migration and financialisation.

    And more. So much more.


    And here's the thing, it's gaslighting. It's pure, Colombian grade A bullshyt from start to finish.

    So when I mention the likes of George Orwell, it's about the sheer brass neck manipulation of reality that has been foisted on ireland at large.

    More to the point, such has been the extent and pervasiveness of that bullshyt, it has resulted in violence. Tit for tat, everything balances out eventually.


    If the violence of this situation is to be fixed, the problem must be fixed. And I hope it does because this has escalation written all over it. Enough of the gaslighting, let's try to solve something and face up to reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You point blank refuse to accept the reality you could have always, at any point in your life, chosen to take an active role in politics and be the political representative you claim isn't being offered, that your country needs.

    The only thing sinister here has been the political apathy of those who cry and whine they have no political voice while not exercising a political voice and setting fire to the property of others.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    No there wasn't!

    You said it yourself, for God's sake, dressed up as "There could have been". Yeah, that's a really strong argument alright.

    Again, trying to blame me, one person, for the lack of political representation on the most contentious issue of the Republic...ridiculous.

    Talk about avoiding responsibility.

    Again, and again and again, there was defacto no political representation on mass migration, and now that we have reached boiling point on the issue, with multiple capacity crises in tow, and violence is breaking out, only now is it appearing on political radar. Unbelievable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No there wasn't!

    Yes, there was: run for higher office. That's always been a choice. Nyeh at me all you want.




  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Listen, take your "could have" fantasy land alternative dimension stuff and keep it to yourself.

    It's useless. Less than useless, it's irritating.

    I live on earth, and on earth, there has not been any political representation.

    The goddamn fact that it has taken violence to even remotely cause a blip on the scene is testament to the obstinacy of the political shucksters in this country.

    All we had to do was ask? Yeah, very believable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The truth is often irritating, especially when the truth is you had the power to do something but chose not to.

    "I live on earth, and on earth, there has not been any political representation."

    That is a frankly hilarious tantrum. Of course there is political representation on earth, LOL.

    The goddamn fact that it has taken violence to even remotely cause a blip on the scene is testament to the obstinacy of the political shucksters in this country.

    All we had to do was ask? Yeah, very believable.

    There you go again trying to justify being a terrorist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Very amusing.

    It starts to become a very noticeable trend of those backing mass migration. No real argument, obfuscation, not wanting to "entertain" actual argument and disappearing like a puff of smoke, avoiding responsibility like the plague, oh and let's not forget the insinuations!

    So far, in the last short while, I have been accused of "recruiting", I have been accused of being "the one with the lighter", I have been accused of being "racist", and more still.

    And do you know what all the accusations and dodgy maneuveres amounts to? Sweet, succulent fook all.

    Worthless.

    Almost worthless, actually, because the longer I press it, the more hollow and weak it all appears. Emperors new clothes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    avoiding responsibility like the plague

    That's exactly how I would describe your arguments proclaiming you simply had no political choices, when you very much objectively have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The sort of politicians you are advocating have run for office repeatedly and have consistently polled at less than 3% , there has always been choice in Ireland but fortunately the citizenry have been sane enough to refuse it.

    Your siding with a really sad bunch of extremist violent losers and it shows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Of course that's how you'd describe it, you're practically a character from George Orwells imagination!

    I wouldn't expect anything less.

    You'd be arguing that the iceberg went out of its way to sink the titanic if it suited you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ^ " No real argument, obfuscation, not wanting to "entertain" actual argument"

    You're your own parody at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,529 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No it exists.

    Scumbags burning down buildings doesn't help solve it.

    Thats what the likes of you and other potential Darwin Award nominees fail to realise.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,276 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @abozzz threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,529 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Oh god it re-regged run @Ten of Swords he'll try to set you on fire!



  • Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭slay55


    So it has 100% been confirmed that these arson attacks have all been due to them being potentially used as refugee centres /hostels etc?


    Before jumping to conclusions, it is worth noting that there are a lot of alternative reasons

    1) insurance

    2) rebuilding on land

    3) personal vendettas

    4) accidental fires started by teenagers

    buildings have always gone up in flames over the years


    it seems unfair to jump to conclusions blaming a certain group before there is actual hard evidence on each of these fires.


    To answer the question, I think arson is wrong. I also think that the government’s policy on immigration is wrong too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    The Darwin award wouldn't apply. While it is true that one of the rules for a person to be a nominee is that they commit an act of unquestionable stupidity, the nominee has also to be capable of sound judgment




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,479 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If you can come up with some other actual articulable, rational basis, and show this is a pattern among the 20+ targeted sites, I'll hear you out, but there is a giant ochams razor that 20+ accommodation sites that had been announced as refugee sits were all the victim of the same type of arson, all very shortly after they were announced to be housing refugees. That's more or less up to a standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt,' rather than suggesting 20 separate accomodation owners decided to all commit insurance fraud, all in the exact same manner, or that there were 20+ personal vendettas, or 20+ accidents that all ended up with the exact same outcome, of the place burning down and no suspects coming forward or being caught.

    "buildings have always gone up in flames over the years"

    I can't get over how silly this line sounds. "have you all considered that buildings are flammable and that there exists fire departments? And that some amount of buildings catch fire every year, so how can it be arson?" I'm not high enough for this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭slay55


    I don’t understand your last paragraph. My point was that we shouldn’t be quick to attribute all these fires to the one group / reason until there is hard evidence

    why are you high ? Maybe stop getting high and read post’s correctly.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @slay55 Most of the fires so far on proposed refugee accomodation have been confirmed by gardaí investigators as arson


    .The Irish Times

    www.irishtimes.com

    Fire at Dublin building intended as homeless accommodation confirmed as arson


    Just one that somebody recently tried to say, was due to causes you listed, not sure if it was you.

    A bit disingenuous to continue with that particular narrative at this stage .


    I do agree with your last line however , slay , or at least part of it ..

    "To answer the question, I think arson is wrong"



  • Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Would horsewhipping be an appropriate punishment?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    You can't just break the law. It's the same as Rosa Parks, even if you disagree with the law of the land you can't just break the ones you don't agree with. Isn't that right lads?

    I can't think of a single instance where law breaking had any benefit to any society. Form a straight line now and be good.



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