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Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,049 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Stay with family in London - good one! I think they could provide Harry with accommodation if they wanted to, but instead, the indain givers took back Frogmore which had been a gift from his grandmother so it could be used to get Andrew out of the way. It wouldn't be suitable had Harry and Meghan not spent millions renovating it. Not a peep about Dad recompensing them for that.

    I doubt Harry had even an inkling of that sort of irrelevant protocol, and neither would any of the other members of the family, that's the sort of thing their staff handle.

    The UK won't provide Harry or his family with security, so it's hardly surprising Harry doesn't bring the family with him. If he'd brought the family he'd be accused of trying to grab the limelight or some such. He can't win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Hopefully Charles will get better and he can take a little holiday in California to visit his grandchildren.

    The King can take a “little holiday in California”? Do you not realise how ridiculous that sounds? Imagine the logistics, the protocol, the costs, all because Harry can’t bring the children. A c75 year old cancer sufferer should make all the effort? Why can’t Harry bring the children? Their privacy could be assured.

    As usual, everyone is expected to work around H&M’s demands and conditions. Maybe they need to realise that they are not the centre of the universe. And that they have deliberately created deep wounds in the Royal Family. H&M need to take a long hard look in the mirror at their behaviour over the last years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Ah, poor Harry. You forget that H&M decided on their freedom flight, and their independent financial status. Acted petulantly, toys out of the pram. But by what magic could anyone think that, having given up as working royals, they should continue to enjoy all the trappings and perks.

    I’ve pointed out a few times that when you leave a firm, you hand back your pass, your car if you’re lucky enough to get one, credit card, laptop etc. The firm stops paying you, and no longer pays your health insurance, etc etc. A pat on the back if you’re lucky, and you’re on your own.

    And Harry and Meghan should be treated differently because………???



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I’ve pointed out a few times that when you leave a firm, you hand back your pass, your car if you’re lucky enough to get one, credit card, laptop etc. The firm stops paying you, and no longer pays your health insurance, etc etc. A pat on the back if you’re lucky, and you’re on your own.

    He can't hand back being son of the King FFS.

    The security risk he inherited suddenly just doesn't disappear because he is no longer a work royal.

    This is remedial stuff TBF.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    The security risk he inherited suddenly just doesn't disappear because he is no longer a work royal

    Perhaps not, but the public funding stops, so H&M will need to fund it. Just like other celebrities do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    Harry who says he was born into risk still gets royal protection albeit in a scaled down way befitting his desire to seek financial independence abroad and his desire to visit the UK. Anytime he or the family comes to the UK for any royal occasion or event then security is provided and he doesn't pay. The Home Office has attributed him (son of the King) with exceptional status where he is considered for police protection with arrangements dependent on the reasons for his visits to the UK.

    In court the Home Office shared that any threats are monitored and if they are credible security arrangements are made. They also requested that before any visits he has to give them 28 days notice for a risk assessment and if security is required then he gets it for free. His being born into the risk has perhaps filled him with a sense of entitlement and maybe what he wants is what he had before i.e. full tax payer funded security but provided regardless of whether he is "working" or not. However he cut that chord when they moved abroad and regardless of his exceptional status it has resulted in consequences. His automatic right to MET Police protection was lost.

    The Home Office knows that the royals carry a unique risk for any RPOs they provide and their argument is that officers facing such risks is warranted when officers are provided to protect royals carrying out public duties in the public interest but it is unwarranted if Harry, for example, just wants to go to the pub to watch a match i.e. you are a wealthy individual, you can afford top class security who can do their own risk assessments for his private life in the UK. Just like any other celebrity visiting the UK without incident. So when he gives notice (detailing what his plans are) the assessments are done and he is free to come to the UK with his private security while the Home Office continue assessing any risks and where necessary provide RPOs free of charge if warranted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    It's similar to American Presidents who are still entitled to secret service protection for themselves, their spouses & children under 16 even after they are no longer President.

    Risks don't disappear just because they are no longer in the job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    There is no one living in it now! And no rent coming in! And H&M are owed a couple of million for doing the place up. As well as that, Eugenie and her family were also using it as their English base (her husband now has a job in Portugal).

    If H&M had a secure home (which Frogmore was because it was in Windsor Park), they could actually spend a lot more time in England and not bother any of his relatives.

    By the way, a lot of people have 2nd homes in different countries that they use occassionally. And then you have Charles with about 10 homes (including a house in Romania that he occassionally goes to on a walking holiday). William has about 4 homes (Kensinginton Palace, Anmer Hall, place in Scotland and Adelaide Cottage and probably somewhere in Wales now that he is Prince of Wales.

    Its absolutely wild that with all the bedrooms that the Windsor family own/has access to, they didn't have a bed for Charles's son without 30 days notice.

    It will be interesting to see where Harry's stays on this visit as protocal states he needs to give 30 days notice to get a bed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Ah, the protocols! Charles has managed to go on private holidays to his holiday home in Romania, so the only difference is that its a slightly longer plane ride. There is top class security in Montecito anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pretty sure their taxes are taken off them whether they consent or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,049 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, it's perfectly sensible; like providing accommodation for a visiting son when you are worth £10 billion and have say over 6 palaces containing thousands of rooms. If dad could be arsed to go pick his son and family up from the airport, then his security would go with him and so it wouldn't be an issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Be right back


    The dad just diagnosed with cancer and going through treatment? Harry's nearly 40 and well able to travel to other countries without his dad providing security?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Dad's having cancer treatment, I think that running around at the moment is probably not the best idea. Harry needs to act a bit more like a nearly 40 year old man and not like some petulant teenager who's spent his bus fare on ayahuasca and needs a lift home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    The difference between the UK and other countries, is that the UK does not allow his security to carry arms. And certainly when he has been anywhere for the Invictus Games (The Netherlands, Germany) they were provided with State security as wel.

    By the way, Harry offered to pay for his security, but one of the Palace's henchmen (Sir Edward Young) didn't bother informing the committee that he is serving on and who decides security matters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    So Charles is at home - maybe he could send his car and his security to pick him up then as he won't be needing it. Its not as if he would have to drive around Heathrow anyway looking for a parking space!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Charles 'security team' are not a taxi service. They do not and can not go around giving lifts to people 🙄



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Prince Harry has landed back in Blighty. According to the Times, he has no plans to see Prince William.




  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Juran


    Harry was collected in Heathrow by royal protection officers today in a fleet of Range Rovers and escorted by MET police in marked cars and motorbikes. Blue lighted through every red light I presume .

    That was after being whisked off the plane to a higly secure VIP area for quick immigration/customs check, then into the Range Rover right outside the door.

    Whats the security complaining about then ?


    It would have been the same treatment if his wife and kids were with him, with probably about another half dozen cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Prince Harry has arrived at Clarence House. King Charles and Queen Camilla have departed Clarence House for Sandringham.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    He didn't offer to pay for his security. That was a successful piece of spin done on his behalf by Omid Scobie to head off the Mail article exposing that Harry had been privately battling the government which had denied him post-Megxit security. Interestingly his offer to pay was not included when he filed his original judicial review for that decision. Did Edward Young manage to intercept Harry and his legal teams documents and remove these important details I wonder? 🙄

    The Home Office said Harry didn't offer private funding in any pre-action correspondence. You'd think this would have been included by him. Documents submitted for the judicial review by his lawyers show no details about this offer supposedly made at the Sandringham Summit i.e. who he offered it to, who denied it etc. Young had written on behalf of the Queen imploring the government that their security would be imperative. But he blocked it? Nonsense. The offer to pay was a punt at gaining public sympathy via spin. It clearly worked. In court documents for another case Harry complains/argues via email in April 2020 to Edward Young that he could not afford to pay for private security until he and Meghan were able to earn their own money.

    How, just a couple of months before those emails, can he genuinely make an offer to pay for police protection but, at the same time, be unable to actually pay for any security at all until he made some money? Didn’t want to touch that money his mum left him would be my guess. He was born into the risk feeling entitled to it and wanted his Pa to stump up. Which he did to the tune of a couple of million.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    So who or what actually drives the cars that the royals travel in?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    I think they're called "Drivers". I could be wrong, of course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Working for the royal family and not former royals 😀!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    I fear Charles won't be around for long.



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