Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Fg are right wing, at least economically.

I'd put them as liberal/populist socially.

I have actually, many times, particularly the Serbian border. And yes the Serbs were definitely trying to be intimidating. But that's cos we were usually crossing the border with Kosovo.

I'll ask this. Wtf does a meager population of 3m natives!!!. On a small rock relatively to massive land mass across the world. Owe to a population of 8 billion? And growing I might add. The answer is fooking nothing. NOTHING! Considering our own history and strife. Get to fook. We do what we can against oppression to invite people to live like us . The rest can go to hell.

Go on ...tell us ? Where is the country with that meagre population ?

I can't figure your very angry post out .

Where are you talking about ?

And yet at time of writing 8 other posters seem to know where you are talking about ....

The current population of Ireland is 5,076,398 as of Monday, February 5, 2024.

So it can't be Ireland you are talking about , unless over 2 million of us are now not considered ' natives ', for some reason .

Bizarre.

 Drew Harris closed off the roads that the demonstors planned to take, so they had to march down O'connell St, all done to try and cause a confrontation with Boyd Barretts demo... That didn't work out for him. 

A worrying thing is that the Government reacts to protests. There were no protests in Lisdoonvarna and North Clare got more refugees per capita than anywhere else. Shannon took in a lot of refugees too, but when people protested against the opening of a direct provision centre there it was dropped. It was only after the riots that the Government started to pivot, which sends out a very, very bad message.

A report this morning that some kids may be left at home because there are no school places for them. It's like something out of the 50s. When people read this and then hear Varadkar or Eamon Ryan or the likes say that the country is not full they will freak out, quite understandably. What the fck have we got to offer immigrants when this is what we have to offer Irish citizens.

I would say that for about 20 years there was a conscious decision by much of the media and politicians to ignore any problems at all related to immigration and population growth, but that's not going to work any more.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/02/06/parents-without-secondary-school-places-for-children-amid-enrolment-crisis/

The response to an increased level of immigration has been outrageously bad.

First of all they failed to limit it, at a time when there was a very serious housing crisis. It was let get so intense that people came out on the streets, protested against housing of potential refugees. It really wasn't necessary to allow it to decline so far.

Then the response has been full of lies and failure to acknowledge mistakes. Varadkar's letter to the Sunday Independent was a low point. There's been a really slow realisation that their ideology around immigration is not going to work in the present circumstances.

A competent Government would have at least tried to limit immigration prior to the Pandemic. It was already obvious there was a huge housing crisis, a lack of GPs and very poor hospitals.

We already have a sizeable right wing political entity here... FFG. They're very much economically right.

I can see a 'further to the right' government coming to power after the next GE.

I think, with the Greens to be annihilated, it's quite possible we see FFG work with some harder right coalition of independents.

While that might lead to some restrictions on IP immigration, I can only see more visa migrants being welcomed.

With that, and a strengthening of FFG's economic right mandate around privitization etc, the future does not look good for housing, health and services in my view.

I enjoy the fact that this was written by someone clearly oblivious to the reality that the very technology they used to post this rant (the same technology that powers our economy and modern lifestyle) is comprised of minerals sourced from all over the world.

The quality of modern life is owed largely to the development of global co-operation, trade, diplomacy and goodwill into an international community (and let's not forget a good long period of Western capitalist global dominance from which we have been enormous beneficiaries).

But yeah don't let that get in the way of a good rant about how we owe nothin' to nobody or whatever it is you're getting worked up about.

As I'd see it, the whole matter isn't about race or where people are coming from, it's more about how unrealistic it is for Ireland to comfortably accommodate so many people.

"Because we own a smartphone, uncontrolled mass immigration should continue at the current rate"

Jaysus, not sure how some people on here sleep at night when every statement at odds with their world view must be interpreted in the most extreme way possible, to include things that were never said. Where did I ever say anything about uncontrolled immigration? In fact, where is anyone saying that?

My point was simply that a view of "owing the world nothing" is unrealistic and that the existence of a co-operative and integrated international community is a primary factor in our ability to be a modern developed nation. The fact that I happen to think that this reality is part of the reason that immigration is an inevitability that needs to be acknowledged (and with that, better and more realistically both at the political and societal level), does not make me pro "uncontrolled immigration".

The idea of "controlled" immigration is a bit of a fallacy. Governments only have very limited control over how many people enter or leave their country in a given year - there are way too many variables involved.

They can of course implement rules to either encourage or dissuade immigration or emigration, but there's no guarantee people will follow or ignore said incentives or discouragement. It's like thinking you can 'control' the unemployment rate, or birth rate, or marriage rate, or inflation rate or anything else.