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Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,486 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Comparing serial acts of arson to Rosa Parks sitting in the front section of a passenger bus? Cop on.

    Rosa Parks didn’t resist or evade arrest either. Cowards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,201 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore



    "Ought", ah you're new here, welcome to Ireland, where common sense is in short supply.

    You can't put cameras in for legitimate purposes and not have signage up that you have cameras running.



  • Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭slay55


    I’ve never said any different about it being arson.


    just said that there is no hard evidence to point it at the reason as to why or who is doing them or if they are even connected



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Just showing where the logic breaks down. What about those criminals at the GPO in 1916?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Given a few of the leaders were immigrants the crowd going around burning buildings wouldn't have liked them either



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    The people? Did we have a referendum on skirting international refugee convention which I missed?

    ⛥ ̸̱̼̞͛̀̓̈́͘#C̶̼̭͕̎̿͝R̶̦̮̜̃̓͌O̶̬͙̓͝W̸̜̥͈̐̾͐Ṋ̵̲͔̫̽̎̚͠ͅT̸͓͒͐H̵͔͠È̶̖̳̘͍͓̂W̴̢̋̈͒͛̋I̶͕͑͠T̵̻͈̜͂̇Č̵̤̟̑̾̂̽H̸̰̺̏̓ ̴̜̗̝̱̹͛́̊̒͝⛥



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    Absolutely NOT equivalent.

    I don't support the "protests" or the scum whipping up fear.

    Do I think there are issues? Yes, there are always improvements to be made.

    ⛥ ̸̱̼̞͛̀̓̈́͘#C̶̼̭͕̎̿͝R̶̦̮̜̃̓͌O̶̬͙̓͝W̸̜̥͈̐̾͐Ṋ̵̲͔̫̽̎̚͠ͅT̸͓͒͐H̵͔͠È̶̖̳̘͍͓̂W̴̢̋̈͒͛̋I̶͕͑͠T̵̻͈̜͂̇Č̵̤̟̑̾̂̽H̸̰̺̏̓ ̴̜̗̝̱̹͛́̊̒͝⛥



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Very strange polling options to be honest.

    Arson is wrong, whether it was far right, brainless local scumbag or done for an insurance payout, all of them should be arrested.

    No matter how much anyone surveys a building they don't know if a homeless person snuck in or if a firefighter will be harmed.

    I'm sure their are locals who disagree with arson but at the same time are secretly happy the only casualty was an empty building and they wont be getting busloads of men with nothing to do all day and their house prices won't drop.

    Getting to this stage shows the governent are out of their depth and we are beyond capacity.

    Let's hope everyone involved in the fires is caught and gets a heafty sentence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    No, I was and am in favour of housing Ukranian refugees. I would have handled it differently though and spread the load evenly among the 31 local authorities, not provided the highest social welfare in Europe which turned out to be a incentive and not used active hotels to house them. Treat them the same as all other IPA's with an additional €50 per week bonus payment. We are the farthest geographical point in Europe from Ukraine, we shouldn't have the high levels we have of Ukrainian refugees and if they received the same as all other IPA's we would have half the numbers we have now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    You should have questioned it , you are part and parcel of a shameful ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Field east


    The main / only evidence that can be used, if available is CCTV evidence. And to prepare this evidence can take some time to make it presentable in a court case. And some of the stuff on CCTV might be grainy , some of the individuals on it may have been fairly well covered and may need experts to identify clues as to who it might be , etc, etc, etc. Hence this might explain any delays.

    I think that up to 35 people have been identified as having been involved - damaging property, etc- in the recent Dublin City riots. Evidence used was broadly got from CCTV. And what helped in getting the evidence fairly fast was because a lot of the culprits were probably ‘snapped’ a few times while they were damaging property /stealing



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    At the time it was not my country. You don't go into a relatives house and tell them how to furnish the place do you?

    The other thing is that nothing affected me and it took many years of the horrors of world news to get the message that those that stay quiet and don't object to injustice are condoning and encouraging it.

    There were plus points about "intolerance" too, the priest at the local church denouncing the News of the World, is a tremendously good move and example for anyone, even if done from a secular standpoint. I don't know if it's the residue from that or the educational system here, but here proper papers are far more popular than they are in Britain.

    Across the water the Tory gutter press reigns supreme in the circulation stakes. That's what feeds racism in Britain incidentally.


    Maybe, just maybe the roots of intolerance and subservience were what it needed to produce a country very far removed in character and outlook to the place across the water?


    It's a pity the arsonists don't question things either, like why a country with such a low population density is too full to help a few refugees and asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There's a DP centre beside me in East Wall, about a 5 minute walk. Are you saying our house has lost value now because of this? Gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    "It's a pity the arsonists don't question things either, like why a country with such a low population density is too full to help a few refugees and asylum seekers."

    Because its not just "a few", we've taken in over 100000 Ukranians plus numerous other IPA and 15000 every year in the future according to ROG, also our low population density is meaningless unless you are suggesting we put people in tents in fields.



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    People having the attention span to do detail would be a good start.

    Hate and fear thrive when fed by ignorance.

    I think it's nice to welcome people into the country that are going to respect its culture and laws.

    Maybe if the place is that full, for each one coming in, we could get rid of an arsonist to whatever country they came from?

    It seems like a win, win. We gain the person rejecting hate and fear abroad and get to export home grown criminal rubbish that thrives on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    ...

    ⛥ ̸̱̼̞͛̀̓̈́͘#C̶̼̭͕̎̿͝R̶̦̮̜̃̓͌O̶̬͙̓͝W̸̜̥͈̐̾͐Ṋ̵̲͔̫̽̎̚͠ͅT̸͓͒͐H̵͔͠È̶̖̳̘͍͓̂W̴̢̋̈͒͛̋I̶͕͑͠T̵̻͈̜͂̇Č̵̤̟̑̾̂̽H̸̰̺̏̓ ̴̜̗̝̱̹͛́̊̒͝⛥



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    The future? Fear of what might be? You live in a democracy. Can you promote your view without fear and hate, maybe you would be listened to if you stuck to facts.

    I'm surrounded by empty properties, strange that they are not filled is it not?

    The people coming in are not helpless, they build, they can be trained.

    Thankfully the people of Ukraine are welcomed still all over Ireland, I see flags in support of them everywhere. They are trying to survive an invasion by a much larger oppressor.

    I want no part of your nasty, insular little hole that you find so attractive. It's my country just as much as yours and I simply want the true picture to be looked at and addressed.

    The arsonists are criminals, full stop.

    There is nothing else that speaks as loudly as to how wrong persecuting the helpless is.

    In a democracy peaceful protest is a healthy asset, crime is not.

    Criminals need to stick to drugs really, if you are going to break the law, you are better aiming for something with a bit of profit in it are you not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I can think of a pretty affluent place in Cork where there's been a DP center for nearly 3 decades. Houses are regularly selling for a million there so you're right, house prints are largely unimpacted.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,201 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Allegedly, DNA evidence from the looters who left their old sneakers after them, a goodly number of these guys would be "known to gardai" anyhow, it wouldn't be their first rodeo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Repo101


    Can't this thread be answered very simply by the following points:

    1) Should the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks be brought to justice? Yes

    2) Is government policy failing both ordinary Irish people and immigration? Yes

    3) Is government policy or lack thereof contributing to the rise in anti-immigration sentiment? Yes

    4) Is the lack of communication to local residents contributing the issues at hand? Yes

    Most of these issues wouldn't be issues if we had a functioning health service and decent services in urban and rural areas. You can't get an appointment with a GP for weeks where I am and houses are being lumped up around Dublin with no additional services in the area. I would guess that most people are actually concerned about the lack of services and not the immigrants themselves.

    Ireland is heading towards right wing populism if government policy failures continues under the next government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    The reason there has been no arrests (bar the political arrests of the councillers in Galway) is because these are all lone wolf acts. They are not connected (apart from in objective) so it's not a case of anyone directing the actions of the perpetrators. As much as some here would love to think there is a sinister right wing Whatsapp group plotting all of these fires, it is in all likelyhood a few of the locals in each area taking matters into their own hands. Unless someone is caught in the act or accidently torches themselves, it will be very difficult for the Gardai to catch them (especially as one poster believes the Gardai are lighting them all).



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Feisar


    The right or wrong of it aside, how are they cowardly?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭jayzee




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,486 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I'd have to agree

    I consider myself centralist in my political ideals. The last few governments are becoming more and more left leaning, which is fine so long as the planning / running political mandates is done correctly... But it isn't

    Lots of people are REALLY annoyed about what's happening. The conceitedness of housing immigrants, the lack of planning and worst of all is that you voice an opinion that doesn't match what those in power want; then you're branded a racist or a nazi or something along those lines.

    Right wing is on the rise, there isn't a main stream political party yet, but that was the case in Germany 10 years ago. but now, over 250 seats are now occupied by Centre right or right wing parties



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Well in 1916 they paraded openly and drilled in public , were in uniforms , made a declaration before hand, were willing to accept the consequences of their actions didn't sneak in at night covering their ratty little faces and burn down some one else's property biased on their own, my way or not at all fascist belief system . don't equate these cowardly criminal pieces of fecal matter with 1916, its deluded and insulting to actual patriots. and betrays their laughable self important petty ideas of how important those fat stupid stool jockeys really are



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    There is mounting evudence that they are related by motive. but not by perpetrators.

    But definitely arson.

    You post the same post on every site downplaying the anti immigrant motive and trying to infer other causes.

    This has not been found to be the case in the last 20 fires and possibly 4 more before that.

    It is tiresone seeing this denial being trotted out every time.

    I don't think anyone even on the anti side believe the fires are not caused by arson.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,486 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The conceitedness of housing immigrants, the lack of planning and worst of all is that you voice an opinion that doesn't match what those in power want; then you're branded a racist or a nazi or something along those lines.


    Now why would anyone think that?



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