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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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    #30272
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730420#Comment_121730420

    The comments on the clip are a cesspit too. Straight to the bloodthirsty, murderous, demonic Jew trope. Also according to one it's from 2016 and nothing to do with the current conflict?


    Aside from that, the majority of Jews are in fact zionists, in that they believe Israel should exist. So they just hate most Jews, not them all. What's the problem? Totally not anti semitic. /s



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    #30273
    Hey boy
    Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730010#Comment_121730010

    Hamas could stop it tomorrow. Hamas started this latest war on 07.10.

    Israel could stop too but then a major security threat would remain on its border and hostages would still be held so Israel won’t until its goals have been achieved.



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    #30274
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭SeanW


    What I don't understand is how posters with Ukrainian flags in their profile pic can crap on Israel, considering that both Ukraine and Israel are fighting the same war on the same side.

    Russia and Hamas are allies, both getting weapons from their common ally Iran. And Hamas timed their attack for Putler's birthday, the 7th of October. And it was a nice birthday present for Putler as it divided the West's attention from the Russo-Ukraine war.

    So we know that this war is between Russia, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ etc on one side, and Israel and Ukraine on the other.

    But both the Left and the Far Right seems to have an utterly incoherent and self-contradicting view on this conflict. The Left will support Ukraine but then support Ukraine's enemies in the Middle East, while the Far Right will support Israel, but then cheer on Israel's enemies in Moscow.

    I don't get it 🤔



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    #30275
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730448#Comment_121730448

    I guess it depends on what you mean by Zionism

    I agree, Zionism to my mind is a desire for a Jewish homeland. Nothing wrong with that.

    But some, here and elsewhere label Zionism as some sort of Jewish supremacy or colonialism. Zionism is not that IMO.



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    #30276
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730616#Comment_121730616

    You are correct. In the wider sense of Geo-Politics, it is Russia and Iran who are the greatest destablisers in the world.

    If you support Ukraine, how then can one support Hamas aka Iran?



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    #30277
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,550 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730286#Comment_121730286

    "You're gonna get yelled at if you go into a place of worship and start screaming and shouting and causing a scene"


    Care to show your posts of outrage over this?


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/5/israeli-police-attack-worshippers-in-jerusalems-al-aqsa-mosque




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    #30278
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730286#Comment_121730286

    So, there is no right to protest in a place of worship but it's OK to deny the Palestinians humanitarian aid at checkpoints (in breach of an ICJ measure)?

    And it's ok for one of the congregation to call that person "Hitler"? And choice language in use too - lovely bunch...



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    #30279
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730286#Comment_121730286

    How's about changing the subject back to having a think about the 260 Palestinian babies of less than 1 year old murdered by the IDF rather than the debunked "40 beheaded Israeli babies"?



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    #30280
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730455#Comment_121730455

    And if Israel continues their massacre of innocent civilians at the current pace, their future history will be writ large forever. Every time Israel is mentioned, it will be coupled with "genocide".

    I doubt the average Israeli wishes that.



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    #30281
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121728945#Comment_121728945

    The un rubber stamped a land grab merely 2 years after a world war ended. They did by the pen what others had been doing by force.


    That an awful lot of countries were not even members of the UN yet, kind of undermines how much authority they had to do so. That virtually every single country in the region and those closest in proximity could see it was a bad idea should never ever have been ignored.


    And your deliberately ignoring that it was done with an almost impressive amount of coercion by the usa



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    #30282
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730616#Comment_121730616

    So we know that this war is between Russia, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ etc on one side, and Israel and Ukraine on the other.

    Has Ukraine joined the IDF in Gaza?

    You're on the wrong thread I think?



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    #30283
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121729145#Comment_121729145

    Everything in the ratification went against article 1 of the UN charter

    They failed miserably and ignored all objections.


    It was an imposition, not a remotely well thought out plan. If a sovereign state came up with the plan that was out there, it could have been called out for nothing more than an annexation, which is what it was. No more, no less.



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    #30284
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭SeanW


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730798#Comment_121730798

    No, Ukraine has its hands full with one of Iran's allies on its territory, while Israel is busy with another. But make no mistake, Russia, Iran and Hamas are on the same side of seemingly unrelated conflicts. Hamas showed this by timing their attack for Putler's birthday, understanding the strategic significance of their attack on Israel.



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    #30285
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730060#Comment_121730060

    It's not a falsehood. Your understanding is less than I'd expect of a junior cert history student. That's all. The war began before 1948, and this is something stated by many historians so it can't be wrong.



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    #30286
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730455#Comment_121730455

    Again, no. They escalated it. Israel retaliated and escalated beyond anything reasonable

    They had spend months provoking though.


    How many times to people need to be reminded that Israel illegally settled more land and displaced many, many people on doing so, in the months priort to Oct. 7 than they had in a combined 40 year period prior. Displacing people and making refugees of families who had lived and worked on those lands for longer than Israel has existed.



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    #30287
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Zaka used Oct 7 to raise money by shooting PR videos.

    That's going to go down well with families of Israelis murdered, raped or taken hostage...


    Zaka May Have Cost Israel Its Case Against Hamas at the World Court

    Last week Haaretz published an investigation disclosing faults in the work of Zaka, a Haredi rescue organization best known for retrieving body parts after terror attacks (Aaron Rabinowitz, Jan. 31). The expose found that in the chaos of the first days after the October 7 massacre, the Israel Defense Forces assigned some of the work of collecting bodies and other evidence to Zaka, whose volunteers took advantage of their presence on the scene to film PR videos and to raise funds.



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    #30288
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730820#Comment_121730820

    The war began before 1948

    Really?

    Do you mean Arab nations attacked Palestine before May 1948? Or are you talking about the civil war that was brewing between 1947-1948?

    Regardless, I was responding the to explict charge it was Israel who started the 1948 war. I sense even you are now conceding this to be a falsehood.



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    #30289
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730876#Comment_121730876

    No, they were each phases of the same war. Again you're being deliberately ignorant. You know not one incident started the war and both Israel and Arab States, and others such as Britain had their hand in the outbreak of war.


    But to say, Arabs started to war, is so childishly stupid, that I cant believe you're doing anything than being an apologist for current crimes and are just another who is painting anyone who disagrees as some sort of antisemite.


    Go and actually read about the many incidents and nuances from pre mandate, to mandate period to the UN ratification. If you'd still come out with , "they started it", theres absolutely no hope for you, and there's even less point in engaging with you

    You have an incrediblly narrow minded and simplistic version of the very complex history in your head.



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    #30290
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,902 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730749#Comment_121730749

    And there's only one side behaving like Hitler and its the Israelis. The New Nazis.



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    #30291
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730047#Comment_121730047

    I think you're confusing me with someone else?

    I never made a claim that Israel started the war in 1948. I simply quoted Wikipedia - I even put the sentence in bold so there would be no confusion.

    Sorry if you got confused. Easily done.

    No gotchas either.



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    #30292
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730789#Comment_121730789

    The countries in the region have a long long history of Jewish anti-semitism. They would have never accepted a Jewish state.

    It was only by might of arms that some finally relented.



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    #30293
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730929#Comment_121730929

    There's a number of news items coming out today that, as predicted by many, show the propaganda put out by Israel, the utter lies told and how "moral" the IDF is.

    I sense that the wheels are coming off for Israel and it will continue to unravel.

    Just on that Zaka story - these are Israelis filming Oct 7th and using that material as a means to raise their PR profile and make money. I can see the outrage and disgust that will generate reverberating for about 2 seconds...



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    #30294
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,550 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730916#Comment_121730916

    Please stop interrupting him while he's trying to rewrite history.



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    #30295
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,902 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121730973#Comment_121730973

    Disinformation forms a huge part in their strategy but people are beginning to see through it -

    Disinformation campaigns

    ''Researchers have documented at least 40,000 bots or fake social media accounts, as well as strategic use of state-controlled media outlets like RT, Sputnik and Tasnim. Israel has released several pieces of incorrect or disputed information, leading to weakened credibility and online ridicule.''



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    #30296
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,550 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Slowly but surely the world is turning against Israel and their genocide


    https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1754934911595647341?t=U8hQN7h8KMTFxqPBy8g71w&s=19




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    #30297
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The most moral army in the world?

    In their dreams:

    Haaretz:

    GAZA: The IDF has begun investigating dozens of incidents in the current war with Hamas that have raised suspicions that orders were disobeyed, in which commanders on the ground exceeded their authority or where it is suspected that the international laws of war were violated.



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    #30298
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't know what to make of this one unless Israel has its eyes on the end of month report to the ICJ?

    Very odd considering Israel is adamant that UNWRA = Hamas


    Haaretz:

    Israel is pressing the U.S. and the UN to allow UNRWA to continue its role in supplying humanitarian aid to Gaza during the war, Israeli and American officials told the Wall Street Journal. UNRWA said it expects its preliminary report into Israeli claims that a dozen employees took part in the October 7 massacre to be ready by early next month.



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    #30299
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    For those scoffing at the IDF killing sheep article posted here earlier:


    Haaretz:

    Arab Israeli lawmaker Ahmed Tibi shared on X/Twitter footage of sheep being shot by Israeli snipers in Khan Yunis in Gaza. According to sources in Khan Yunis, the sheep were in Bani Suheila, near Khan Yunis, an area under Israeli military control.



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    #30300
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israelis want to get rid of the current govt. but don't want peace with their neighbours. Are they starting to enjoy the killing and want to see more?

    I guess if you're already committing genocide, why not go all in?


    A large majority of Israelis believe that the next Knesset election should be held before its designated date in November 2026, according to a poll by the Israel Democracy Institute. The poll also showed that about half of Israelis would oppose a deal to end the war if it includes the establishment of a Palestinian state and peace agreements with other Arab countries.



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    #30301
    dmcdona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Stick your tongue out:


    Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir issued a public apology after his son suggested U.S. President Biden suffered from dementia in a tweet he posted on X.



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