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Foxhunter Pub Closed by Revenue ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    L1011 wrote: »
    Overlooking and "out of proportion" are not regulations, as such.

    Parking wise, this would be a "intermediate urban location" on a high-density public transport route and hence not have parking requirements. This is why there's such a high bike parking provision.

    This isn't Oakmounts first rodeo, basically.

    Thanks for that. I wasn't too sure about some of them and thought there was a set ratio of parking spots for the site. I'd been basing it on the objection lodged against the development of Hill House in Lucan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,750 ✭✭✭degsie


    Permission refused...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭grounderfill


    Over 130 objections and 4.5K euro gofundme collected for professional services that may be required to the extent of an appeal with an bord planala...


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Fade Into You


    I think the problem is that it is being reported that the pub is closed, and that the owner is not a publican. It is not the pub owner, it is the owner.

    The owner is a public figure, and the owner can only be paid for the service.
    The pub owner is an individual.
    If the owner does not have the necessary service, then they are not a pub owner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    I think the problem is that it is being reported that the pub is closed, and that the owner is not a publican. It is not the pub owner, it is the owner.

    The owner is a public figure, and the owner can only be paid for the service.
    The pub owner is an individual.
    If the owner does not have the necessary service, then they are not a pub owner.

    What ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭grounderfill


    I think the problem is that it is being reported that the pub is closed, and that the owner is not a publican. It is not the pub owner, it is the owner.

    The owner is a public figure, and the owner can only be paid for the service.
    The pub owner is an individual.
    If the owner does not have the necessary service, then they are not a pub owner.
    The problem is that the site is not suitable for the purpose being sought under the planning submission. The problem is that the site is not a residential zone and the owner is seeking to change what the site is designated for only to suit his own personal interests, i.e. to maximise profits irrespective of whether the surrounding area is able to or not able to absorb such plans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,914 ✭✭✭DopeTech


    Anyone know what the latest on this place is? I drove past today and see it now has a new sign on the front back with the original name The Foxhunter.

    https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dopetech.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    DopeTech wrote: »
    Anyone know what the latest on this place is? I drove past today and see it now has a new sign on the front back with the original name The Foxhunter.

    It's a restaurant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Doesn't seem to have been much progress made in the last few months but that's based on me driving by and only having a quick glimpse from time to time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Neons back on again last night, still broken! (The "fox" bit wasn't on)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Walter Sobchak III


    Back open it appears. Website up and running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Yep think the grand opening for Wow burger and Elephant and Castle is tomorrow

    According to Google it appears to be open now. Good to see it reopened after all these years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,750 ✭✭✭degsie


    Anybody visit yet? Whats the setup like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Walter Sobchak III


    Went up there on Tuesday evening on the assumption it was open. Only builders on site. Not open yet but no far off I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,750 ✭✭✭degsie


    Now open



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭monty_python




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    It's a Wowburger and Elephant and Castle. Pints are typical restaurant prices, e.g. about €6.50, iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Went in. Wouldn't bother going back. Basically every other pub in Lucan is better. And probably still all cheaper too. And most/all of them sell more than Heineken products + Guinness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,770 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    **** me that's depressing. It used to be alright, then it closed and we got this thread 10 years ago in the depths of the biggest recession anyone alive had ever seen. And here we are 10 years later and we end up with this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    It's not supposed to be a pub though. It's a Wowburger and an Elephant and Castle. Casual/fast food dining.

    Anyway, judging by the business it's doing, it's in demand. Funnily enough, speaking of Lucan pubs, I was in Kenny's two Thursdays ago and the place was rammed both I doors and outdoors. Loads of people there for the Thursday night table quiz. Anyway, we decided to pop over to Carrolls. You'd swear it was last orders. Only about 10 people there at 10pm. Quite a contrast



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I passed it today, it doesn't look very inviting. The wall obscures most of the outside from the road. I remember it back in the old days when they had a Sunday lunchtime jazz thing. Grub was great in the carvery and the kids could play in the huge outside area. Won't be going to wowburger, not that there's anything wrong with it, just not my scene.

    To echo a pp, was in Courtneys one lunchtime during the heatwave. Hadn't been for years. Was really good, the outside courtyard area is well done, and we sat by the stream and watched the ducks. Quack Quack, will go back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    I was in Reeds on the River in Courtney's last night. First time there. Best described as "alright".

    I'm really hoping the new Tapas place because Ulster Bank will be decent. God knows, we need somewhere half decent in Lucan. Due to open in two weeks apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,770 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Looking forward to the tapas place too. Heard good things about it. Spanish tapas chef is teaching the local chefs how it's done!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    I think the jazz's back on in the foxhunter. Wouldn't be rushing to it anyway, not a huge fan of the press up group.


    Is there a website or anything for the tapas place yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    I was there for the soft opening this evening. Lovely food. Not the traditional Tapas but Tapas with an Asian fusion twist.

    Very enjoyable and the staff are all lovely and very excited about the main opening on Thursday. Apparently bookings are going extremely well.

    I'll definitely frequent the place in future. Definite thumbs up and badly needed in Lucan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,770 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You own a local business @Heroditas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    No, just lucky enough to get an invite from one of the staff who's a neighbour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Lucan badly needs a good restaurant. We lack any quality at all. Maynooth miles ahead.

    Village is a mess, just one big car park full of fumes, nothing attractive about it



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Bad planning coupled with awful NIMBYism. The village could have been lovely and people-friendly but some people cmplained that they need to be able to park right outside wherever they want to go. The village is a kip currently and is unlikely to change anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Has the tapas place got a name?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    Lucan village is such a missed opportunity.

    Traffic is constant. The Laraghcon development should never have gotten planning permission without a new bridge over the Liffey outside the village.

    Parking is a total mess. Shouldn't be parking on both sides of Main St near the River Cafe - it's just too tight. A decent car park near the church or behind Sarsfield Park, and pedestrianise the area around the triangle and as far as Ulster Bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Yep they could build a decent car park behind the fruit and veg and butchers but I have no idea who owns that land. Opportunity is probably long gone now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    The reason the village is a mess with traffic is because motorists are avoiding the m50. It's chapelizod or lucan to avoid the m50. it's a major problem and isn't going to be solved soon. Oh yeah, they'll do away with loads of village parking, so now locals can walk through the village watching the m50 avoiders! Irish planners are special.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Or close off the main St between certain hours like they do in every other town to allow it to grow!!! Village is such an eye sore right now, it needs to revamp, get rid of all the parking spaces on main street and in the triangle area.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Do you not recall the war a year ago because the council were going to remove just 11 spaces? Most of the furore was by retailers who wanted people to be able to park right at the door. It was a disgrace that the triangle now continues to be an unfriendly village centre with queues of traffic for most of the day with much of it not even stopping in the village but simply trying to avoid the M50 toll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Oh, I do and i know a few of them also.

    I asked them what did people do in the 80's/90's when the car was a luxury. We walk!!!!

    Down in the country you don't get the right to park outside the surgery I tell ya!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Christ don't get me started on the village and the state of it. I remember when people were registering their comments on the Corpo site. The majority were a C&P protesting at the proposed development.

    One of the business owners who was involved in the lobbying against the development/parking spaces owns the office supplies shop. He can't be too hard up for business because any time I've gone in there I was made feel most unwelcome. He can shove it to be honest, I'll get what I need elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Walter Sobchak III


    Up for sale again according to the Sunday Times Business Section. Can't post the link as it is behind a pay wall. No surprise really.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ^^^

    The Sunday Times believes that the company is mulling the sale of the Foxhunter in Lucan, Ashton’s in Clonskeagh and Thomas Rody Maher’s, formerly Larry Murphy’s, on Lower Baggot Street.

    ...

    The development company purchased the Foxhunter near Lucan village on the N4 motorway in 2019. It paid about €3 million for the site, which in 2007 had sold for €17 million to a consortium that included the property developer Bernard McNamara and the retailer Simon Burke. Oakmount completely refurbished the pub, and Press Up opened an Elephant & Castle restaurant on site. In 2022, An Bord Pleanala refused planning permission for the company to build 161 apartments on the land.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    It really is in a crap location nowadays since the N4 was widened. I have zero desire to go for a Wowburger or Elephant and Castle stodge. Anyone who wants a pint will go to the Penny Hill (shudder) or the village to Kenny's, Courtney's etc.

    Hard to see much of a future for the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    The restaurants are doing very well at the weekends.

    Wow burger is a big thing with the kids, I am not mad on it but would take it over McDonalds, Burger King or most chippers in lucan which are way over charging


    It will sell for over the 3million i say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    If they're selling up though, doesn't that mean the franchise disappears too? Press Up own and run the franchises, they don't tend to let third parties run them so if the site is sold, it's the building that exchanges hands and Wowburger and E&C will both be gone if I understand correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭xlogo



    That's assuming they include it in what they are selling - has it been confirmed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Depends if they own the franchise or did it rent it out to the franchise. Tenants can be unaffected but depends



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Press Up own both brands - Wowburger entirely, Elephant and Castle in Ireland.

    There is (or was, its not on their website anymore) a Wowburger in a pub they don't own in Ballymun/Glasnevin anyway though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭standardg60


    'Formerly Larry Murphy's'

    That gave me a chuckle, no surprise they changed it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,858 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Do they own all the franchise in Ireland or just those 2?

    Wonder are they selling the franchise with it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,561 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Press Up own all the Wow Burger and E&C restaurants.

    However they have been selling off some.of their assets recently and reduced their staff so this could be another round of consolidation for the group.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 MuchoTrails


    Press Up supposed to be behind the roof top restaurant/bar in Clerys so need the cash for development.

    I live nearby and enjoy the pub. Some good music acts and never an issue to watch the rugby. Unfortunately though beer garden is just too loud from the road.



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