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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Deub


    Why getting so worked up on this topic?

    I mean Ireland is a democracy. It is not only one person that will decide what Ireland will do.

    Also, because Ireland was not targeted in the past, doesn’t mean it won’t happen in the future. In any case, better be safe (prepared) than sorry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Avdeyevka is the Russian spelling.....

    Yours is something not english or Russian



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    What a **** moron. The hypocrisy of this man to talk about freedom of speech and traffic conspiracy theories about Biden when he is interviewing putin, a man who routinely has political rivals and journalist murdered or jailed. To act as a propaganda tool for a genocidal regime is disgusting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Imagine if he was the opening round of new diplomatic relations



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It may be worth comparing with the Norwegian defense policy, a similarly-populated nation also with a large amount of water in its purview. In last year's "Advice of the Chief of Defense" (A periodic requirement that the military has to produce), it, too, observed that the nation had no chance of defending itself against an aggressor. Just too much water, coastline and land for the amount of people and armed forces it could realistically provide.

    The stated goal of the Norwegian defense forces, thus, was something even Ireland would be capable of doing, if it wanted to: Hinder any likely opponent from conducting any likely operations for long enough for allies to show up. Which I think is reasonable.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    you haven't heard of Mick Wallace and Claire Daly then, have you?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Problem is that they are all but useless in a modern operation. You will recall that when the Ukraine invasion kicked off, it was all "Bayraktar this", "Bayraktar that", but after a month.... nothing.

    The reason is simple. Russian air defense actually became vaguely competent after a few weeks, and they were basically lost quickly. Moderately large drones just aren't suited for any job where there is some form of protection against manned aircraft, and are additionally vulnerable to electronic attack even if the hard-kill systems aren't there. At least manned aircraft don't need to worry about the EW problems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    Russian's were after the same Tora Bora goat hearders at one point, or is that point conveniently forgotten about?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Now the children sing songs in Putin's russia of making Bombs from dough as a sing and march along to.


    Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) / X



  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    I'm still in knots at the "no American journalists even try to report what's happening in Russia"... he's obviously not a fan of Evan Gershkovich or Alsu Kurmasheva. Both of which Russia said they would trade for jailed FSB agents...

    But yes, freedom of speech is well and truely dead :-D

    The bit at the end, the "watch this,make your mind up yourself" the conspiracy theorists are gonna cream themselves to that, it's like a beckoning call...

    What happens if you watch it and still think Putin is a c*nt? Does that make you a sheep? I'm sure that assertion is against free speech too, but hay ho, you are a sheep if you follow the wrong flock.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Sometimes you just need an obvious Tankie to out themselves and spare us all the continuing facade; it's not like Carlon's rhetoric on the Ukraine war wasn't already plainly pro-Russian and even in this sickening introduction / justification, he hints that the interview is gonna be setting up a platform into America for Putin to talk up the invasion as just, needed or both. The concern trolling would make you vomit.

    If there's any karma then Carlson's career will burn for this, maybe even in his own circles and echo chambers too; the American Right can't be that embedded with Russian interest that it will row behind Carlson for this decision. Remember those innocent days when Jon Stewart single-handedly got a Carlson show cancelled through Stewart's own wit? Maybe this can happen again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    It can be argued the security situation in Europe has changed dramatically in the last two years and Russia is a threat to everyone. Many countries are doing something about their defense, others think they are special. When you still hear opinions like "Russia isn't going to invade anyone" or "NATO is history" it should be obvious that's just the vatniks talking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sweden and Finland joining NATO shows the situation has changed.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The swedes with one of the most modern and advanced military nations anywhere in Europe,

    Just look at the Danes similar gpd and population to our own and they have a well equipped and trained defence forces including multiple modern fighters



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭eire4


    Well comrade Victor I know the Russian dictatorships wizard spider gang cyber attacked our health service because the Irish government told us that is who did it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭eire4


    and the fact that they are an imperialist, nasty authoritarian dictatorship and pretty much the antithesis of everything Ireland is as a country and society given we live in a free open and for all its warts democratic society.



  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    as it's been mentioned here a lot, and you can't link to any media source without a "oh well you can't believe them, they side with X"...

    Here is the report which was presented to the UK by Policy Exchange (a not so party agnostic think tank) who suggest policy changes to government.

    Report is quite long, but detailed, and has an interesting amount of history included (which of course is UK centric (I'd be interested to here any rebuffs from an Irish history perspective, history was never my favourite subject in school, but, as I've gotten older, I've started to appreciate it more)).

    Report is called "Closing the back door - Rediscovering Northern Ireland’s Role in British National Security"

    Link -> Policy Exchange - Closing the Back Door



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    there is always going to be cat and mouse with this tech but using EW in such a situation would create a diplomatic incident , it would be the same as shooting at a plane, it wouldnt happen in the normal course of events.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Joining Nato would require us to spend 2% of GDP on defence. Thats approx 11bn a year, compared to less than 2bn a year now. Where do we get this money from?

    Further, if Ireland was in NATO in 2001 we wouldve been obliged to decalre war on Afghanistan under Art 5.

    The dirty little secret of Irish defense is that we allow (and sometimes pay) the Brits to protect Irish airspace and seas. This suits Ireland cos its cheaper, and it suits the Brits not to have a well armed Irish army beside them.

    By all means Ireland should get serious about defence. But EU common defence protects us from our greatest existential threat (who are also our main provider of defense security but anyway) and commits us to assist our EU buddies without having to spend 9bn a year which, lets be honest, has many alternative uses.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Nothing to do with war crimes and constantly threatening and interfering with other countries no?



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Ive heard the tb2 is still used for recon and guidance for other drones, and it is occasionally used to test Russian air defences and stretch their cover.

    In sufficient numbers and with good coordination they might be able to identify EW weapons or even to overwhelm Russian air defences.

    They will never achieve the success of the first few months where a tb2 was taking out multiple tanks with impunity, but it still seems to have value.

    Looking to NATOs defence planning, it definitely plays a part and could be paired with f35s or future aircraft to make a manned/unmanned pairings.

    I think its like the whole "whats the point of the tank anymore" analysis that comes out of this war. Tanks arent particularly useful if they arent used right etc.

    I wouldnt write off medium drones just yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    Putin propaganda machine is in full swing to stop US aid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    It's not a case of "spending", as in throwing money at NATO. This can be furnished in many ways that don't involve spending money directly on defence. Which people don't seem to realise and throw the "we need money for houses and healthcare" argument out....

    Taken from the NATO website:

    "Expenditure for the military component of mixed civilian-military activities is included, but only when the military component can be specifically accounted for or estimated. For example, these include airfields, meteorological services, aids to navigation, joint procurement services, research and development.

    Research and development (R&D) costs are included in defence expenditure. R&D costs also include expenditure for those projects that do not successfully lead to production of equipment."

    NATO - Topic: Defence expenditures and NATO’s 2% guideline

    R&D already happens in various multinationals in Ireland, but, aren't accounted for, stopovers/overflights which happen already account towards it... sending troops to Cyprus to train Ukrainian's on EOD measures, counts towards it... KFOR counts towards it, previous presence in nearly every NATO mission since the 90's counts towards it...

    All things Ireland is already doing.

    Under the new Hybrid warfare domain, Ireland already spends 100's of millions (if not billons) on security in the cyber warfare and critical infrastructure domains. Along with already securing supply technological chains which supply NATO systems manufacturers.

    Worked correctly, and letting other companies into Ireland, which don't have to necessarily be weapons, it could be comms systems etc... Ireland could grow income to offset the 2% bill.

    Taking this into account, I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland was already past the 1% mark.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭wandererz


    victorfranco and milominderbender registered on Jan 24th and 25th.

    Seem to have a lot to say and argue about with others.

    I wonder who they were previously



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,956 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    He referred to it as '' war'' 26 times in that video, he is currently getting dragged to jail by his wavy locks kicking and screaming like a girl



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The majority of Nato countries don't spend the requisite 2% of gdp 7 out of 30 do the majority don't,we wouldn't need to spend 11 billion the defence forces want spending to be brought to 1.5 -2bn per year, for most part our average spend is usually less than 1 billion which 400 million goes on salary and pensions ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The TB2 was never meant for high intensity combat its primarily a recon platform with a small payload, though the Turks have already started working on their Ukrainian facilities that should become operational early to mid 2025.

    The US is already actively testing the loyal wingman program drones that will fly along side the F35 and the NGAAD 6th generation aircraft for Both target acquisition and bluffing air defences so they can be taken out by long range strikes reducing risk to aircraft, they are also testing swarms of mini drones that can be deployed from cannister on strike aircraft to overload air defence radars



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Bayraktar and similar size drones only made sense when opponent have no means of countering them. That is why they were used in Africa or Afghanistan or recently in Armenia/Azeri conflict.

    Smaller drones are much better choice as we see in Ukraine or Iraq, Red Sea... They are far cheaper so they can be procured and used in numbers therefore they are more effective.



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