Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

There was no state in the defamation case. The defamation case was Bailey against several newspapers. Alfie said he was 90% sure he introduced Sophie and Bailey. Bailey denied it ever happened. The judge sided with Alfie and said it was likely true. Can't really argue with that.

However the bar in civil cases is lower than in criminal ones, so a judge in a murder trial might have said, while its likely true, there's a small bit of doubt there. The DPP often takes a similar approach to murder cases, namely if there's any doubt or room for doubt, then its 50/50 whether you will get a conviction.

A murder trial for this case would have been hugely expensive and complicated, running to millions of pounds, and the DPP has a responsibility to the taxpayer to make sure there is a strong probability of a conviction. The evidence in this case was almost entirely circumstantial, although there has been murder convictions in recent times based on circumstantial evidence alone.

I know they will never release them, but did the gardai ever find anything useful in the phone records for Sophies phone which might indicate someone called her, or she was potentially in contact in some way with her murderer. If she knew someone was coming over, they'd likely have phoned ahead.

Dunno where I read it, so comes with caveats.

I remember reading the line in the cottage was an older line, so it was just identifiable as to type of call, local, national, international.

As in, you couldn't get an itemised breakdown of number called.

I'm not sure if calls received were tracked back then? Perhaps someone has a better understanding.

My mistake I read on another thread he was a witness for the state

Ok well if she didn't receive calls, its unlikely she had arranged for someone to come over late at night, and the murderer showed up uninvited. A case to be made she didn't know her attacker, or was not that friendly with them, or they turned up randomly. To put it bluntly its unlikely she was having an affair with them and she didn't really have any friends in Ireland from what I understand.

My point was that people here including you are saying that there is no way Bailey the known woman beater who almost killed Jules couldn’t have killed Sophie but the guy who had an argument about a gate and may have used her bath? Definitely a suspect! It’s pure nonsense.

I watched one of those real life murder documentaries the other day- UK based, about 20 years ago.

A husband and Wife killed in their home- both stabbed many times. Very unusual. Turns out their loving son killed them. People were in disbelief coming up to the trial - no one could believe he’d done it.

As it happened he was influenced by online killing forums- had loads of books on murder crime and police forensics. Was also big into knives and martial arts.

Quiet as a mouse- softly spoken, liked by all- loved by parents- no home trouble at all

Yes it could be Bailey - absolutely- but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be someone else.

The really spooky thing in the case above is completed these two murders in very little time- then went out with friends to a concert I think a short time later - no doubt Bailey had the physical attributes to carry out this crime - but did he have the capacity to present as “ normal” the following morning?

A question I certainly can’t answer as I didn’t know him- but it’s a reasonable question to ask- I’d say most people couldn’t

The Gardaí are more likely to have perverted the course of justice than Jules.

Bailey incriminated himself multiple times, circumstantially. No alibi, contradictions about premonitions, denials of knowing her, multiple confessions, allegedly intended as "black humour" even though it was an open case.

Now either Bailey was the murderer or he just revelled in being associated with this case as a suspect possibly with a view to fame and financial gain down the line, but either way no one put him in the frame more than Bailey. Its possible he was innocent, but to not even be considered a suspect is daft.

As for Alfie being a suspect, you think he'd remove the murder weapons at least before telling everyone! There's more chance of the loose horses being suspects than Alfie.

It is reasonable to doubt it was checked and that existing tyre tracks were made, in the absence of that being specified anywhere.

If it was bags and bags of rubbish, it seems doubtful they were properly checked - think about what that would entail. You'd need to remove the bags from the car and empty them.

We don't know the "very good reasons" because the record of it was deliberately destroyed by one or more Guards. Which suggests they are not sound reasons.

Not calling you out in particular here but where is it recorded that these things were deliberately destroyed?

I'd like to read about it.

Motive? As in arguments over a gate? Are you serious?

Which evidence are you referring to that the AGS destroyed? And please don't say the gate.

There's also accounts that Bailey destroyed evidence by the way. Not helpful to his case either.

For me, the actions of Jules Thomas are key.

In interviews, she strikes me as a moral, honest person.

More importantly, she stayed by Bailey when the accusations were levelled despite their horrible past and the liklihood that their relationship was coming to an end. There was no more love, but there was duty.

As soon as Bailey was in the clear, she dropped him and moved on with her life. Her watch was ended. Whatever there had been on the past, she had no fear of him between the murder and final separation.

This selflessness suggests to me that she knew he did not do it. And, despite everything, she would not see him wronged.