Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

Good post - fully agree. There is no reason to suspect that Jules is in any way covering for Bailey.

I would also add that had she had the slightest suspicion that Bailey was a sexually motivated murderer, she would not have allowed him to co-habit with her daughters. No mother would.

I believe her car was blocking the laneway or impeding access and she was asked to move it on. With a car full of rubbish, she couldn't exactly drive back up the laneway, nor would there have been no point doing anything else except going to the dump.

Her car doing to the dump is the ultimate red herring used by Bailey defenders.

Shirley drove off to the dump and met Bailey on her way - this is fact not a red herring.

You think it was the correct decision to let her drive the car off - Honestly you cannot possibly think that was ok?

All of this is true.

Has nothing to do with why Bailey became the main suspect though. Had he a proper alibi, he could have been ruled out immediately. He didn't.

The French ex lover was ruled out because he had an alibi, as was the peeping Tom and a number of others.

Once Bailey became a suspect, he did himself no favours. It takes a particular kind of individual to make jokes about a recent murder in the locality such as I did it, or I did it to resurrect my career, or her murder was only worth 25 pounds to me.

Then there's the other lies about having or not having a premonition.

Had he kept his big mouth shut, he probably would never have been a suspect, but he couldn't help it. Seemed to enjoy the attention and fame from it. The more he talked the more of a suspect he became.

She was probably in shock though and these days you'd hope would have received proper support, as likely not in a fit state as you note.

She may have just wanted to get away from the body, do something

Sorry, what is the specific allegation or point your are trying to make here?

The only confirmed murder weapons were some rocks and a block, which were still present at the scene when the gardai arrived.

There is no evidence the neighbours put anything incriminatory in the car, to bring to the dump, as why on earth would they leave the murder weapons at the scene if they did!

The Guards at the time didn't know what the murder weapon was.

There could be bloody items of clothing.

It is standard practice for police to check bins in vicinity of a murder for such things. Just because it is in your bin doesn't mean you put it there either.

There is absolutely nothing in her behaviour that indicates anything suspicious. People behave in shock in different ways. Some go into auto-pilot mode. Some don't process what just happened and mightn't do so for a while. And some just want to get as far away from the scene as possible. Anyone would be in shock in her situation.

I think they would have noticed bloodied clothes, a bloodied weapon and most of all bloodied patches on car handles similar to the one on Sophies door.

Of course its possible they could have had something to do with - they were at the scene, had a motive, knew the victim, heard and seen nothing. They should not have been allowed remove their rubbish or their car from the scene.

How were they treated as suspects early on by the gardai - I have not seen this noted anywhere.

Would they have noticed a diary in the rubbish - I doubt it. There is no way possible they had time to forensically check the rubbish or check the car for concealed items. Also there is the possibility that items were concealed at a different location and picked up and disposed of by Shirley on her travels.

We'll never know what she disposed of that day due to bad garda procedures. It was probably household waste but we simply cannot be sure of that.

The Bandon tapes clearly show that Marie Farrell and some of the gardai had more than a 'professional' relationship. They were on very friendly terms with Marie which of course raises questions as to how this unprofessional relationship with Marie began.

That's Bailey's main problem - he just cannot keep his mouth shut. I saw him getting into his car outside CUH a couple of years ago - and despite being alone he was having a full on conversation with himself! Easy to see how he could blabber his way into suspect status.

I believe the coercion allegation related to the gardai having information on Farrell which they could use against her, eg illegitimate child. GSOC saw no evidence on this and came to the conclusion Farrell worked willingly with the Gardai and provided them with "information" which might be useful to solve the case. No-one takes her seriously. Her evidence made any conviction in this case almost impossible. The gardai were looking for a gotcha moment and accepted Farrell's evidence, but there was more to Bailey being a suspect than the Farrell evidence.

Nope. The main thing that can be gleamed from it is that is all GSOC could find, with their very limited powers of investigation, and refusal by many Guards to co-operate with the investigation.

Who else would have knowledge of the Guards setting up Graham or Farrell, other than the participants themselves? Do you think they brought their lawyers?

How are the missing pages down to mismanagement and incompetent? How do you "incompetently" deliberately remove pages from the Jobs Book?

If this was standard practice, why could no explanation be given to GSOC? It was deemed noteworthy by GSOC, who are used to reviewing Jobs Book. GSOC offer no innocent explanation as to why this may have been done.

GSOC would have pressed charges over that conduct except conveniently the Guard identified was deceased.

The point still stands - the pages documenting how Bailey was identified as a suspect are gone. It stinks. There is simply no basis to state Oh the guards must have had sound reasons, when they've destroyed the trail of those sound reasons. It is a statement without foundation, and without merit.