Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Netanyahu and the war cabinet do not care one jot about the hostages or civilians in Gaza. Never did, except for the five day pause.

Seems the rhetoric from Senior Ministers and Ben-Gvir/Smotrich wasn't rhetoric. It was the truth.

I'd imagine the hostage families and many Israelis are gutted.

"There is no other solution but a complete and final victory," Mr Netanyahu told a press conference on Wednesday.

Note the use of final and solution. He's up there with Sunak this week.

You are presenting vetting as being some sort of catch-all, as if Israel deserved October 7th because it didn't vet the UNRWA workers sufficiently. I am pointing out other examples of where this was true. There would be plenty of people screaming "police state" if intelligence services kept out or locked up everyone they deemed a hazard.

What you forget is that Israel, unlike the regime of Hamas or the other hostile states surrounding it, is a liberal democracy with freedoms so can't just be locking up everyone. In fact, there have been a lot of posters complaining about the ones that they have locked up. You can't have it every which way when it comes to Israel, though you try your best.

Ridiculous post.

Are you of the opinion that we should all take whatever a government states as gospel? That we should not question where there maybe doubts? It was merely pointed out that Channel Four has seen the dossier and I quote that “no evidence” was found to implicate UNWRA employees. You might retort why were they fired then. Well it was stated that it was done to try protect the organisation and funding but was without due process. That coupled with the fact that Israel are indeed part of vetting process opens up questions. How did they pass initially, what is the vetting process etc. I’m not saying it might not be true. I stated that funding should not have been pulled until determined. Innocent until proven guilty eh?

Also, in case you forgotten Israel have plenty locked up. Without charge. Without due process. Is that the actions of a democracy? Or are Palestinian rights less than Israeli? When I pointed this out, @Danzy stated they were prisoners of war. Do you agree with him? If you do, I’d like to point out that numerous Palestinians have been locked up prior to Oct 7th, and if they are prisoners of war, would Hamas have every right to categorise the hostages the same? See what I did there…

"a liberal democracy with freedoms so can't just be locking up everyone"

"or locked up everyone they deemed a hazard"

They snatch kids off the street and it can take famines days and even weeks to find out where their child is.

These kids are held for months without access to legal representatives usually only getting legal representation a couple of days before their "trial".

They are bought before a military court and "evidence" is presented against them, their legal rep is not allowed cross examine any "witness" because the military courts have deemed any "evidence" to be top secret.

Question what is the support like in the USA for this Israelis war at the moment?

The USA administration must be extremely tired/frustrated at Nethanyu as Blinken is just wasting his time at this point. I don't understand why they wish to continue funding this war when Israel is not listening.

No disrespect to your friends, but the Iranian regime is most certainly completely abhorrent. I doubt anyone would dream of defending it.

A bloodthirsty medieval theocracy that uses modern technologies to crush and kill its opponents. Such as women who go in the street with their hair uncovered for example.

Please don't conflate comments about Iran, the hideous regime, with Iranians, the people who live there and suffer under that regime.

If that happened, you wouldn't, I'm sure, be shouting about Israel not being a democracy or anything.

Good point - the sentiment is equally applicable to Israel.

A bloodthirsty genocidal State that uses modern technologies to crush and kill civilians. Such as 260 Palestinian babies of less than 1 year old.

Israel - an abhorrent Government, not to be confused with Israelis who live there and suffer under that regime.

The World's most moral army. Indeed.

You are right to be sure, I wouldn't. It happens sometimes in politics that politicians move against each other. It happened in this country at times during the past . There are plenty of other valid reasons to shout about concerning the current Israeli government.

I presented my findings and evidence on the matter earlier.

The professor from Queens may have an opinion on the matter, but it is still an opinion.

At the end of the day, the UN ratified resolution 181(II) thus it then became international law.

All the crying and moaning about how it became law is thus redundant, as Israel is still a sovereign state and recognised under international law as such.

With all that being said, once an Arab coalition of nations invaded Israel in May 1948, they broke international law and thus should be criticised as such, much like Russia today is criticised for invading Ukraine.

Do you even accept that the invasion in 1948 by Arab nations broke international law? Or were they right to invade?

And yet here you are, constantly cheerleading the most right wing, nationalist Israeli government in living memory.

*Slow clap

I've many Iranian friends, most from my time in Canada. Made up of Persian and Kurds along with a handful from a Zoroastrian background and they are beautiful, wonderful people. The government, however, is brutal and cannot be compared with Ireland. This was the general consensus amongst the Iranian communities I encountered, very few were pro government.

Consulting and associate are not official bodies.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/apr/04/itwasamakemydayevent

UN Watch is one of many NGOs who spend their time trying to undermine the UN to the benefit of governments or other agencies.