Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Yeah OK, the democratic deficit in the EU is a well-trodden topic. We all know about it as being an issue. The EU's own Eur-lex website has a web page on it: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/democratic-deficit.html.

How EU laws are proposed and made is not a mystery however. The Commission essentially proposes laws to the Council and the Parliament which are then subject to ratification, amendment or rejection.

Anyway — the question is who we are "serving" in the EU.

I'm with Tony Benn on this

How can we the citizens get rid of Ursula von der Leyen?? 🤔

Firstly, please do me a favour and spare me the "pRo UnLiMiTeD iMmiGrAtiOn" nonsense. If you want to put words in my mouth or just make up things I have never advocated, I'm not going to bother responding to you beyond this.

Anyway — I think you're pulling a bit of a fast one there my friend. Who talks about "serving" international law and obligations? How do you "serve" a law or a provision? Do we talk about law-abiding citizens or law-serving citizens?

Unless the poster didn't express themselves correctly, the inference when you talk about "serving" the EU is that we are serving someone within it, or a body within it. So who is it?

I see the issue, you don't understand how democracy works

We didnt.

Ireland has indeed managed without widespread immigration in the past, and we could continue to do so today if we retained our brightest talents at home. It's disheartening for families to watch their loved ones leave each year due to the scarcity of job opportunities, resources, or the sense of a promising future that educated young Irish individuals often seek abroad.

It's astonishing that some individuals fail to grasp the concept that increasing immigration places a greater strain on our resources, especially when we don't invest in expanding essential infrastructure like hospitals, schools, and law enforcement. Regrettably, rather than prioritizing growth, our current policy leans towards closures and cutbacks

I always advocate all democratic means possible. Never intimidation, harassment, violence or other criminal acts. That's why I label certain things far right. A lot of these gatherings are harassment, are violent, are intimidation. There hasn't just been arson attacks. In Finglas last year there were calls to burn refugees out of their homes. In Athy and Wicklow Town there were threats of arson.

People here trying to justify it, excuse it and legitimise it are supporting extremist, far right authoritarianist violence.

Limited Job opprtunities?

Dublin has one of the best job markets in the world!

There are loads of unfilled vacancies in the country!

We do need to develop infrastructure, I agree. But thats govt owned policy, nothing to do with working migrants.

Without the migrants, the MNC jobs wouldnt be here. Without the MNC jobs, we wouldnt be as wealthy as we are and we would have a much much lower tax take.

Without the MNCs and job opportunities our highly educated youth would leave the country in much higher numbers, as all the jobs would be abroad - just like they used to be.

The part that is missing is increasing home building and infrastructure, but migrant workers are key to delivering those goals.

While they have the authority to remove her, the probability of that occurring is uncertain. They frequently together participate in WEF conferences, Bilderberg meetings, and other summits where unelected individuals play a significant role in determining our future and influencing national policies.

Can you show me where peaceful protest has ever worked to change government policy?

As JFK himself said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

They can offer up amendments, they can debate. But they have no power in European Policy making or decisions.

And has it ever occurred to you that, maybe, the likelihood of an EU Commission President being removed might generally correlate to the fact that in real terms their power is pretty limited? The EU's source of power is the member states and if they want to crush her as President of the Commission — a position which only exists because the Commission exists, and the Commissions which only exists because the EU exists, and the EU which only exists because its member states have partnered up to create it — they can crush her. She can be ousted by the European Parliament too — a parliament which votes on stuff that would bore most people to death twenty times over — which is hardly the hallmark of a truly powerful leader.

I mean...yeah...there is corruption in this world and powerful corporations and politicial leaders — but that's the case with or without the EU. These powerful people wield power over our economies and societies even if the EU disappeared tomorrow.

So you are not pro unlimited immigration then? Fair enough, if you truly believe there should be a feasible limit to immigration. That's what I believe too.

There's plenty of other posters here who are pro unlimited immigration and consistently and repeatedly claim this Republic has "international obligations" set by "international law/s" concerning the amount of refugees and migrants we are "obliged" to take. Now, if that is true and we have "international obligations" set by "international LAWS" we are duty bound to SERVE them. It is literally SERVING them, to do "our duty" especially if it is to this Republics detriment.

So we are SERVING someone, pointless asking me exactly who man, you'd want to ask Varadkar/Martin/Ryan etc that particular question, or the posters here who repeatedly claim this, we sure as Hell aren't serving anything up to ourselves with this out of control, nonsensical and non-workable mess.

So "we have international obligations" , duties, yes? Or are you saying that we don't?

Any vote to remove von der leyens commission would be extremely unlikely to attain the required number of signatures to proceed, and even less likely to be adapted by the parliament, populated by the likes of Frances Fitzgerald who couldn't resist one last ride on the gravy train to beat all gravy trains.. A motion of censure has never come within an asses roar of being carried even through the Juncker (luxleaks) years, the commission and the parliament has by and large become accustomed to their luxuries and large cheques, the fine dining the red carpets and all that.. der Leyen is safe though she should be out on her ear at this stage... The dice is loaded and will remain so for quite some time it's democracy Jim but not as I know it, a fat corpulent belching pig dressed up in fine silk.. Now I'm afraid I'll have to do some work to gather some taxes to keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed, it's not easy

Yeah and every ones of these illegals who show up having destroyed their documents are still entitled to free healthcare and access to the legal system.

Guess who foots the bill for that.