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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Who are you going to vote for to make your voice heard?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Thats correct, violence is never the answer.

    Obviously you feel the same way when far left activists hit peaceful protesters with a car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Mick Clifford on VM1 last night saying people should have no right to protest when unvetted migrants are being pushed into their communities.

    There is a reason the left leaning media is hated in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Haven't decided yet, few months still to make my mind up, but certainly not the current crowd



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Obviously hitting anybody with a car is an act of violence and not the right answer, also raises insurance for everybody else... Has that actually happened though?

    Luckily enough all migrants are vetted so it's a non-issue



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    It'd be nice if people didn't feel the need to protest. The thing is areas where there were no protests have had to take far more people than those where there were protests. I'm thinking of North Clare as an example. Another issue is that the usual means for making an objection through the planning process has been removed. There is a vaccum.

    It is awful to see people protesting in front of refugees, that is true, but it's reality now. I think it's inappropriate, if people want to protest they should do it at their TDs office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Protesting outside a TDs office gets no results, even on the off chance he/she is there all you will get is waffle out of them promising to look into it and in reality nothing happens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    But what you are saying there is equally applicable to pretty much every executive institution in the western world. There is nobody credibly saying that the EU is somehow impervious to the influences and corruptions that plague any political system.

    What I disagree with however is this overcooked belief that people seem to have about the actual power of people within the EU institutions. The EU is powerful, but it gets its power from the states that form it. Without the member states, the EU is nothing. It has effectively no self generating power as an institution on its own. The very finances that drive it are provided by the financial contributions of the member states. One of its largest and most influential members has left, against the wishes of the so called elite, and there was no ghoulish Illuminati conspiracy that could stop them. Ironically, Brexit effectively disproved the very arguments of the Eurosceptics in several ways.

    Still....I don't see who, who exactly, we are "serving" within the EU when it comes to migration?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Yeah...Jean Claude Juncker a real good example of the endless Illuminati influence of the EU and the boundless powers of its shadowy elite. A man whose term of consolidating his immense power and furthering the aims of the Imperial European Union coincided with *checks notes* one of the three most powerful member states leaving the EU against his wishes and the wishes of the so-called elite.

    Probably part of his master plan though I take it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    How in the name of fu*k do you think that we are making a better job of our asylum policies???

    No passport, ok here's your tent.

    France and Sweden had a much more controlled system and still it went to sh*t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭GetupyeaBowsie


    Looking over many threads including different websites,

    Normal middle voting folk are seeking a mature approach to immigration, it's completely dumbfound the contempt our leaders are treating people on a daily basis. It's mind boggling it really it is with this open boarder policy, anyone denying that fact(we've a open boarder) is completely deluded.There's videos going around of some migrations guiding others on how to enter/work and live here. 1 case of a "asylum seeker" from India faking a hunger strike to stay in Ireland. Posters commenting that there's no issues with (or are pro) immigration I find are hugely smug/arrogant and quick to name calling imo

    We have a spinless soft approach government that contain some so of the most in-depth clueless people on fixing or sorting out many issues. Relying on failed "Asylum seekers" to self deport, put a few extra Garda on the streets for "2 weeks" in Dublin to tackle crime, no plan for infrastructure housing been bought up by over-sea investors etc...

    The media/ politicians/ most journalists are singing from the same hymn sheet while the normal folk are completely dissociated, lacking trust and starting to question the gas-lighting been spewed out non-stop since the protests begin.I voted civil rights for marriage/ amend the 8 for woman's rights and would call myself center left but I'm done with the open boarder brigade. The quick little smug comments on here belittling/name calling is not working, it'll push many to vote right.

    It's ok to question immigration - It's not far-right to be against blatant economic opportunists arriving at our shores draining the tax payers money - And it's ok to seek a mature debate regarding our countries future, we've taken in hundreds of thousands of people the past 10 odd years!! crazy amount for a small nation while people here continue to argue we've more space, unbelievable or some hidden agenda behind that attitude imo!



  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭redunited


    Well, if you consider that if and when the UK rejoin that loose much of the power they had and even have to join the Euro, then yeah you could argue it's a master plan!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,352 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Paul Murphy named 3 people using Dail privilege, for causing the fires.

    Could this lead to the collapse in prosecutions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Paul Murphy 'Take it to the Streets' Paul?? Is he not chuffed that some people are following his lead?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,352 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Surely the men named by Paul Murphy can claim they won't get a fair trial.

    Paul Murphy is a volatile dangerous attention seeker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They aren't charged with anything, he named them and called them far right agitators and he linked them with the arsons under Dail privilege to avoid any consequences, like a coward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    How do you vet some lad who arrives from say Somalia who has no paperwork to identify him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    How in the name of God are all migrants vetted when 70% arriving in Dublin had no paperwork?

    Or is it a case the Gardai are giving them a form and they answer no to every question asking if they've committed a crime and using that as "vetting" despite the fact they can't verify the answers or even if the name or nationality on the form is genuine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Illumanati influence of the EU and shadowy elites, a master plan?? .. Absolutely no idea what codswallop you are on about.. Cameron decided to go to the people on leaving the EU, the majority of citizens voted to leave, their decision was respected, they left



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Fingerprint scan, questionnaire, interview, compare what he says to international databases... You know, vetting...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't get this obsession with 'vetting'.

    How do you 'vet' anyone from Somalia, with our without paperwork?

    Do you think they have a system like or Pulse system, open to querying by immigration officials around the world?

    The point I'm making is that an asylum seeker from a developing nation, with or without passport, receives the same level of 'vetting' as a doctor, IT professional, or construction worker.

    Yet we don't hear the same bogeymen arguments about visa migrants, showing that these calls for 'vetting' are only an excuse to scaremonger about IP applicants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    A lot of young folks will always leave for a few years and most return.

    Junior Doctors are poorly paid here and the govt could do more to support them financially.

    The limited housing availability certainly pushes doctors, nurses and teachers abroad.

    We need to build more homes and more infrastructure and we need migrant workers to do that.

    This is all public sector speak though.

    The private sector gives irish people opportunities they never would have had 20 years ago. There are so many MNCs here that career prospects in Ireland, especially Dublin, are fantastic.

    As pointed out, these MNCs would not be here if we didnt have foreign labour, as there simply arent enough irish staff to do all the work.

    There are, however, 10s of 1000s of irish people working here in MNCs.

    They wouldnt have a job in ireland if it wasnt for the MNCs and their ability to attract foreign labour into ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What are you actually arguing for?

    No migrants or limited migrants?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Her's your problem straight away.. Listening to fake claims and misinformation.

    Go to recognised sources. eg CSO.

    12% of our population in 2022 was foreign born.

    It is estimated to have increased by a third of that since then , due to the Ukrainian war, so that would make it 16%? Only about 1% are asylum seekers, and all of you say ye have no problem with ordinary immigrants on visas or those already working here?

    Hardly going to double our population now is it.

    Also 60000 emigrated in 2022 and 23500 returned.

    And population estimates at current rate of growth which everyone is saying is 'quite high ' is believed to be another 35 years before we hit 6 million.

    Certainly should try to sort our housing and services before that .

    So take heart Gatling, we are not going to be wiped out as a race anytime soon.

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Excellent post.

    Facts and truth though do not garner any thanks or recognition on this thread, Arthur, unfortunately.

    The narrative is " Its THEIR fault!" And who's " They today"? ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    How would a lad coming from Somalia get on an international database. He could have committed any number of crimes in his own country and is hardly going to admit to them on arrival



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Like the lad from Zimbabwe who killed three people in his own country before arriving under a fake identity



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Difference is that migrants arriving on work visas have to show identification



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