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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Zelensky moves against his commanding general now aren't helping the situation,remembering back its Zelensky who pushed the summer offensive demanding results, the smart thing after the disastrous first few weeks of it would of been to call a halt and conserve manpower/ammo/equipment, they didn't and with the us/eu dithering on aid, it looks like Putin is in the driving seat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It pretty much looks like they lost 100k+ men since the counteroffensive began. Maybe Russia is happy with whatever kill ratios are being achieved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    To have any hope, they needed to drop conscription age down to 18 last summer/autumn and have these reserves now available to them, russia was always going to grind it out, how Zelensky thought it was going to be so easy to achieve his stated goals on reflection was sheer arrogance, he started to believe his own hype,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Definitely looks like a Ukrainian collapse could be possible if they don't have adequate fortifications to fall back on as well as more men.

    If they are that short on men it really does look as if the attack across the dnipro was a real act of desperation.

    The Russians will be in a strong negotiating position to end this. Much better than had some sort of truce been called last winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I really wish you'd stop with this overly simplistic and ridiculous truce "solution" you keep suggesting. Russia aren't interested in one, and if you'd really looked in to how Russia/Putin operates you'd realise who really benefits from any truce/pause.

    Russia were and continue to be in a stronger position; the shear scale of resources available always means that. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    They had a reserve of men before the counteroffensive. Now they seem to have shortages of men everywhere according to reports. Presumably that difference between now and then are dead or severely injured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    So the solution is to either fight until Ukraine or Russia run out of men?

    It's going to come to some sort of ending. Don't think a triumphant Ukrainian victory is a realistic expectation for the solution...

    Leaves negotiating with Russia and probably living under it's influence forevermore, heavily fortifying the frontline to effectively stop any more attacks effectively until the Russians run out of steam or losing/collapsing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Suckler


    The "Negotiating with Russia" is frightfully naïve in the hope that it would be in anyway genuine. You really need to look in to what Russia and Putin have done and would do in that situation.

    The solution is for others to front up an support Ukraine or realise that Russia will be on our (EU) doorsteps, both figuratively and literally, within 5-10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Well obviously the average Ukrainian is not overly bothered about Russia because they are all trying to avoid being drafted.

    They have the men even if they don't have the weapons. So reading between the lines, they'd rather be alive under Russian rule than dead/disabled and forgotten about for a free Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Suckler


    What good are men if they don't have weapons?

    I'd like to see you're stat to say all Ukrainian men are trying to avoid being drafted.

    Being under Russian rule is no guarantee of carrying on living either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yes but 100k?


    You have no knowledge or clue and you just picked that figure from thin air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1



    Maybe they never existed and were made up for propaganda purposes. But they've gone from supposedly having excess men to being short.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    They have soldiers in on the frontline reporting they are severely undermanned. There should be queues at all the Ukrainian recruitment centres of people looking to join to stop their homeland and people being wiped off the face of the earth...

    Lots of stories floating about of telegram groups setup to avoid being drafted. It's obviously very sensitive an issue or zelensky wouldn't be so wary of enforcing greater mobilization.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Zaluhzny gone for whatever reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Replaced by a guy who was involved with the defence of Kyiv and the successful Kharkiv counter-attack

    It's a big risk, everyone knows it, Zaluzhny is popular, but these kind of decisions have to be made during war. There's unfortunately a clock on international support for the war and it's obvious Zelensky knows this. If they don't make any progress this year, then I'd expect "negotiations" to follow some time after. It's pretty much do or die. I don't have enough context to know if this is a good decision or not, it's very difficult to know, and is causing divides with Ukrainians, but no one knows, it will put pressure on the military to perform and not "settle" in to stalemate, which seems the highest priority. The Russians seem to have lost most of their offensive power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    In 2h 2022 they had to turn volunteers away because the military had enough soldiers. The Ukrainians have shown extraordinary almost super-human solidarity and bravery against a much larger foe, and still do, but bravery and sacrifice has limits, it's two years in and there's an approximate stalemate, recruitment is more difficult now.

    A significant number of posters here have said they'd never fight if e.g. Ireland were attacked. People are human beings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭1373


    Say someone who probably never faced be blown to bits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Suckler


    So the line "They are all trying to avoid being drafted" has no real substance.

    Any link posted throughout this thread you've generally hopped on as unverifiable twitter info or media bias yet you're making things up as you go along and touting some impromptu sit down as a done deal. It's bar stool stuff and used car salesman techniques.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I wonder how that will go down on the front lines?

    Over the past few years there have been stories about men being press-ganged into the army, and here I'm referring to the period between 2014 and 2022. And many stories about men getting out of the country to avoid being sent to the Donbass front.

    It is understandable that in the wake of the broader invasion in 2022 many men would enthusiastically sign up in a blaze of patriotic fervour to help save the fatherland. But that first flush of keen young men has come and gone, and many body bags have come home since. Now it is logically much more difficult to find people who are keen to fight and die - as the type of person who is affected in that way is already at the front, or if well-connected in an administrative post far from the front lines.

    Doubtless the same applies to Russia as to Ukraine - but it does have a much larger population which had not been already depleted by 30 years of austerity.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    There’s no way volunteers were being turned away that time. Waiting to be trained more like. It was just a good news story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's hard to see what progress they could make this year. If they need several hundred thousand men to start pushing the Russians back, they surely need to be training these men now to start having them ready by mid summer.

    It doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon before even weapon availability is taken into account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's going to be very difficult, but Ukrainian leadership don't have the option to shrug and give up. They must either make progress this year, or go to "negotiations" from a position of strength. Putin will never stop unless forced to, or pushed back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Ukr military turned volunteers down at that period because they wanted quality over quantity. Now, as mentioned, recruitment is more difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Tucker Carlson "interviewed" Putin, who went on one his usual long rambling diatribes.

    Some highlights:

    "Mr Putin claims that areas in the south and east of Ukraine "had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever". Conquered from the Ottoman Empire by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in the seventeenth century, the Russian president says that means these lands are in fact rightfully Russian. Mr Putin later refers to them using the seventeenth-century term "Novorossiya" - New Russia.

    Mr Suny points out that the inhabitants of these lands when they were conquered by Russia were neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but Ottoman, Tatar or Cossacks - Slavic peasants who had fled to the frontiers."



    "Mr Putin went on to claim that "Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at [Joseph] Stalin's will," arguing that Ukraine was created by the Soviet leadership in the 1920s and received lands that it had no historical claim to.

    In a sense, he is correct, says Prof Radchenko. The Soviet leadership drew up the borders of Soviet republics "almost like the Western colonial powers drew up borders in Africa - kind of randomly.

    "But that does not mean that Ukrainians did not exist."

    More broadly, Mr Radchenko denies Mr Putin's claims that Ukraine is not a real country because it was formed in its modern form in the twentieth century. "Any country is a fake country, in the sense that countries are created as a result of a historical process.

    "Russia was created as a result of decisions taken by the Russian tsars, such as the colonisation of Siberia, which came at the considerable expense of the local population.

    "If Ukraine is a fake country, then so is Russia."



    "Perhaps Mr Putin's most inflammatory claim was regarding Poland. Mr Putin claimed that Poland - which was invaded by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 - "collaborated with Hitler".

    The Russian president told his interviewer that by refusing to cede an area of Poland called the Danzig Corridor to Hitler, Poland "went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War Two by attacking them".

    For Prof Prazmowska, President Putin's interpretation of history is a flawed reading of the historical record. She says that while it is true that there were diplomatic contacts between Poland and the Nazis - the first treaty Hitler signed after coming to power was a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934 - Mr Putin is conflating diplomatic outreach to a threatening neighbour with collaboration.

    "The accusation that the Poles were collaborating is nonsense," says Mrs Prazmowska.

    "You can't interpret these things as if this were collaboration with Nazi Germany, because it just so happened that the Soviet Union also signed treaties with Germany [at the same time]."

    In September 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland according to the terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact signed between both states earlier that year."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1



    The reality of holding and retreating from adiivka seems to have been more costly than maybe was let on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Denmark is sending it's entire stock of artillery to Ukraine but afaik they are keeping their air defense systems in place. They have called on other European states to sent ammunition. It's probably due to the fact that the US Republican party have continued to block the vote on the recent aid deal.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭Good loser


    I wish we would do the same. Criminal not to give Ukraine all we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I think we're giving them enough of what we have.

    I feel very sorry for what is happening to their country, but I'm failing to get services here for my sick child due to "budgetary issues"

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It’s hard to believe Zelensky saying 31k troops have been killed in the 2 years of war.



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