Mens Rights Thread

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getoutadodge · 13-01-2024 01:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609752#Comment_121609752

That's a euphemism for: No white man need apply.

iptba · 14-01-2024 02:16PM

“Mick Clifford: What is it about the fear of men? Lock up your daughters, unvetted, military age men are coming to town”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41307433.html

“I’ve worked in this sector for over 20 years and some of the most vulnerable people I’ve met have been single men.”

”These kind of tropes are a way of dehumanizing people coming into communities and removing any potential vulnerabilities that they (male refugees) have.”

”Meanwhile, on New Year’s Day there were 376 male asylum seekers awaiting an offer of accommodation, most of them literally sleeping on the streets.”

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”Then in 2012, the New York Times conducted an investigation which revealed that the Obama administration made a decision to exclude from collateral damage figures boys and men who were killed in drone strikes.

“These boys and men were referred to as military-aged males, an identifier that covers those between the ages of 16 and 60,” wrote Sarah Shoker in her book, Military Age Males In Counter Insurgency And Drone Warfare.

“In doing so, the Obama administration used gender as a shortcut to assign combatant status to boys and men who were near a drone target.”

In other words, it meant that the Americans could depress the real figures of civilians who were being killed in drone strikes.

Once the phrase “military-aged males” entered the lexicon, it was quickly taken up by those who were intent on demonizing asylum seekers arriving in the west from underdeveloped, often Muslim, countries.

Mark Malone, a researcher with the Hope And Courage Collective, which monitors far-right developments in this country, tracked the use of the phrase by British white supremacists to around 2015.”

iptba · 15-01-2024 11:54PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/01/14/teacher-fails-in-appeal-to-labour-court-over-alleged-gender-discrimination/

Teacher fails in appeal to Labour Court over alleged gender discrimination

Labour Court heard Damian Johnston made four applications for more senior positions over a decade working at a secondary school

More posting as a curiosity as there doesn't seem to be that many men taking such cases.

It's not clear to me that he proved there was gender discrimination.

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I thought this was interesting:

"A teacher who was twice passed over for promotion at a school where he had been the first ever male teacher"

iptba · 17-01-2024 10:09PM

A man’s pension is on average 35 per cent greater than a woman’s. That needs to change

https://www.irishtimes.com/your-money/2024/01/17/how-do-we-solve-the-gender-pensions-gap

“Taking a career break to mind family members grossly affects pension entitlements and career progression, with some women coming back part-time and thinking it’s not worth contributing to a pension.”

On top of the hurdles faced at home and work in saving for retirement, Rayman’s report found 36 per cent of women “don’t engage with the financial industry because they have felt patronised, citing the use of excessive jargon as a barrier”.

We are talking about adults. This seems like the common approach to excuse women/make out that they have little agency.

Most men are expected to work full-time for their whole career. Often this work can be difficult in a variety of ways.

Many would love to have some time to work either part-time or alternatively take time out of the workforce for a period the way that women often do but don't have that opportunity. There is no mention of this side of the equation to make a more balanced discussion in the article.

cms88 · 18-01-2024 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121631589#Comment_121631589

So as ever nothing suggested to sort the issue other than blame everyone else.

iptba · 31-01-2024 02:35AM

This 90-second video from the US shows what can happen when men bond with a child as they believe it is their child only to find out at a significantly later stage, that it is not their biological child.

If paternity testing at birth was the norm, situations like this could be avoided:

https://twitter.com/picturesfoider/status/1751518252482666532

iptba · 04-02-2024 02:41AM

"What changes would women make to the Constitution? Here’s what 10 said"

"Ahead of two referendums next month, a migrant rights campaigner, housing activist, law professor, principal, first-time voter and others suggest amendments to make women’s lives better"

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2024/02/03/what-changes-would-women-make-to-the-constitution-heres-what-10-said

I'd have no problems with articles like this if they were balanced and ran a similar article asking men a similar question.

But there is a huge imbalance in how much society is focused on helping women versus helping men.

A word I have picked up to describe this is gynocentric = women-centric (or female-centric).

iptba · 08-02-2024 10:08PM

Just listening back to avBBC Radio One show, usually a lightweight listen, where they’re claiming it’s some sort of evidence for the patriarchy that Ryan Gosling got nominated for an Oscar for Barbie but Margot Robbie wasn’t. Also I previously heard some other coverage making out it was a disgrace and Ryan Gosling almost apologising for his nomination.

There was no mention that he didn’t get it above her: it was other women who were chosen above her. Minor points are that his nomination is for a lower category, supporting actor, and that another actress from Barbie also got a nomination in the best supporting actress category.

o1s1n · 08-02-2024 10:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121742110#Comment_121742110

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now for content for this thread tbh.

ancapailldorcha · 11-02-2024 07:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121742201#Comment_121742201

Agreed. This one seems quite desperate.

iptba · 11-02-2024 08:16PM

I just checked the MensRights reddit forum and there were/are popular discussions on the topic:

Feminist hypocrisy about Ryan Gosling

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1aee6q9/feminist_hypocrisy_about_ryan_gosling/

(307 net upvotes)

A man, Ryan Gosling has been nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. Feminists are not happy at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19ewosj/a_man_ryan_gosling_has_been_nominated_for_the/

(766 net upvotes)

"Margot and Greta making a billion dollar movie but Ryan getting nominated is exactly the point the Barbie movie was trying to make"

Ryan Gosling has a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination for Barbie, but Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig didn't receive nominations.

Since then, there has been a lot of talk on social media about how this proves how misogynistic society is. Gosling even released a statement saying they were treated unfairly.

ETA: Added that it's a supporting actor nomination.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19edkrj/margot_and_greta_making_a_billion_dollar_movie/

(478 net upvotes)

ancapailldorcha · 11-02-2024 08:19PM

I still don't know what the point is supposed to be. Are you happy that feminists are upset? Is that the point?

Reddit upvotes are nothing.

iptba · 11-02-2024 08:31PM

The main points are that:

(i) He shouldn't have to apologise. He should be allowed bask in the glory of his personal achievement and not have to feel he has to apologise/similar. He didn't take any award from Margot Robbie, he was in a different (and lower) category for male actors. It's not a case of a man getting an award over a woman. Some other women did get nominated.

(ii) The other main/associated point is it doesn't prove that we live in some sort of male-dominated society or one that favours men. As I say above, he didn't take any award from her, he wasn't a different (and lower) category for male actors. It's not a case of a man getting award over a woman. Some other women did get nominated. Also a woman from the Barbie movie did get nominated in the supporting actress.

There may be cases in society where there is bias or there might have been bias in terms of why one man or one woman got something over another man or another woman. This shouldn't be used as an example of this because they were in different, separate categories for men and women so weren't competing against each other.

ancapailldorcha · 11-02-2024 08:39PM

If this is what men's rights activists are spending their time complaining about, it's safe to say that they're only interested in pushing an agenda, not the welfare of real flesh and blood men.

Iecrawfc · 11-02-2024 11:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755039#Comment_121755039

You could literally change 'mens rights activists' to 'feminists' in that sentence and it would be also very correct

o1s1n · 12-02-2024 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755005#Comment_121755005

If this is seriously the kind of thing people are worried about when it comes to 'men's rights' then there really must not be a lot else left to discuss.

It's a vapid event giving out vapid awards for (mostly) vapid films. Who gives a flying ****.

Sn@kebite · 16-02-2024 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757021#Comment_121757021

I think it's pointing out how vapid feminists are. Complaining about a male being nominated when he's not even competing against women, and the separation of men and women in these awards is most likely demanded by feminists themselves. Now they're still unhappy. Feminism describes itself as being for equal rights for women yet girls in human sex trafficking are never mentioned by feminists, it's all millionaire women at the top complaining with monomaniacal obsessiveness on ridiculous issue. It's a men's issue in the sense this get HUGE amounts of air time while male issues are sneered at by these very feminists who focus on non problems.

I agree in the sense that MRAs need to not go down this route as male suicide won't be reduced by focusing on feminists no focusing on real women's issues. But I think it's something to be aware of. Feminism gets millions of dollars to research these non-issues in women's studies depts while it's incredibly difficult to get funding for any male issues.

My question is why should we not call out feminism on its BS? If you look at domestic abuse ideology we can see the massive changes happening in the support services due to (even partly) MRAs constantly criticizing feminist ideology like the Duluth Model 1994 and setting up our separate services. Do we really thing women's shelters would have altered their dishonest model all on their own? Would they have altered it as quickly, if MRAs didn't take the services to court when they did not admit male victims to the services?

iptba · 31-03-2024 12:24AM

"Women outperform men in getting senior jobs in Civil Service, report finds"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/03/30/women-outperform-men-in-getting-senior-jobs-in-civil-service-government-report-finds

Some points come to mind.
A more minor point is the language used. My guess is if more men than women were getting senior jobs, the headline would unlikely be "Men outperform women" especially when it's not an objective assessment like an aptitude test or other examination.

More importantly, what the figures may suggest is there may be gender discrimination against male candidates.

Here is an extract:

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"The report says that, in 2022, of the 486 eligible application, 64 per cent were male and 36 per cent were woman. By the time of the final interview stage, the gender balance was virtually equal – 51 per cent male and 49 per cent woman.

"However, ultimately of the 28 recommendations to Ministers for appointments to senior management positions, 54 per cent were women and 46 per cent were men."
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Some extra information that might increase the probability that there is some gender discrimination is that in the past at least there has been a push within the civil service to promote more women. For example, that there needed to be at least one woman on shortlists for positions. This might not have been a rigid rule in every scenario but I heard it mentioned before. I'm out of the loop now to know whether that still exists.

Also there seems to be an interest in "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI) regarding the civil service. In this environment, it seems possible that there will be some bias towards advantaging women/disadvantaging men.

getoutadodge · 31-03-2024 04:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958001#Comment_121958001

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/8757e-government-approves-the-nomination-of-ambassadors/

8 jobs…7 women and one token male

It's flat out discrimination tarted up as equality

31-03-2024 05:12PM

https://www.irishstar.com/travel/aer-lingus-re-opens-pilot-30589539

Aer Lingus encouraging women to apply for pilot training. Air India has highest proportion of female pilots of any major airline, Aer Lingus has next highest proportion.

iptba · 10-04-2024 08:37PM

There also has been some criticism of the lack of women promoted to senior roles in the Cabinet, with Labour leader Ivana Bacik telling the Dáil: “It’s a pity we haven’t seen more women elevated to the Cabinet, I must say that.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/how-frances-fitzgerald-and-a-fear-of-the-civil-service-saved-helen-mcentees-job/a2056415841.html

There were only 2 appointments. So 2 men are replacing 2 men. Three of the existing 5 FG cabinet members are female from a quick skim here
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0409/1442594-who-is-who-cabinet-reshuffle/

iptba · 07-06-2024 02:06AM

Advertorial:
The gender pay gap is as important as profit and loss

Hiring more women is just part of the equation — retaining them and supporting their career progress is also essential, Diageo says

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sponsored/arid-41405375.html

"Apprenticeships are also helping in other areas, she points out: “We have 50 per cent women on our Supply Chain and Procurement apprenticeship programme. It’s a four-year programme that offers great opportunities to gain experience, mentoring and career support. That boosts female talent availability.”

I wonder does this effectively lead to gender discrimination against male applicants.

cms88 · 02-07-2024 10:45PM

The comments being made by females about the Natasha O'Brien case are quite interesting. Very fast to saying how he was guilty etc yet when i case like this doesn't get the result they want many of the same will use the ''Not guilty doesn't mean you're innocent''.

I also notice none of the usual groups have said anything about the case of a women who killed her mother. I wonder why….

iptba · 03-08-2024 02:36PM

“I’ve yet to meet a woman who has regretted not getting married but plenty of married ones who have: I have seen so many good women drained by men who could not or would not meet them at their level”

This article is very negative about men, it could be called misandrist. I very much doubt the Irish Times would publish something similar with the genders reversed.

The writer is of course entitled to prefer not to get married. Some men have chosen a similar path, some now calling themselves MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), often after one or more bad experiences in a long-term relationship. But again it’s unlikely the Irish Times would give them an unchallenged platform like this, without the prism of someone else reporting it at least.

Paywall & archived version:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2024/08/02/brianna-parkins-being-alone-is-far-from-the-worst-fate-that-can-befall-a-woman/ https://archive.is/EGubT

iptba · 05-08-2024 04:41PM

Major parties say female candidates will have to be imposed, as selection conventions continue to choose men
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/major-parties-say-female-candidates-will-have-to-be-imposed-as-selection-conventions-continue-to-choose-men/a366417085.html

"At the same time, female contenders are more reluctant to come forward, partly because of the disproportionate level of abuse to which they are subjected compared to men."

I wonder whether female politicians are subject to more abuse and also whether that's the reason they are more reluctant to come forward.

"“Everyone is in the same boat. We saw during the local elections that women were undoubtedly much more the subject of abuse. That has put it up to all parties to improve the supports we can offer to our candidates,” one source said."

Actual research in the UK found the opposite

https://www.pressreleasepoint.com/demos-male-celebrities-receive-more-abuse-twitter-women

An analysis of 2 million tweets by the think tank Demos reveals that male public figures are several times more likely than women to receive abuse on Twitter.

The think-tank analysed 2,006,616 tweets over a two-week period that were sent to a selection of the most prominent and widely-followed public figures on Twitter.

The study included celebrities, politicians, journalists and musicians – specifically chosen to ensure an equal number - roughly one million - were aimed at each gender.

It found:

To male Politicians To female politicans

Overall Tweets 230342 111909

Abusive Tweets 11865 (5.15%) 873 (0.78%)

iptba · 04-10-2024 04:58PM

This is maybe more men’s issues than men’s rights but I wasn’t sure what other thread it would fit under

Watchdog finds huge rise in sexual extortion and online child abuse material https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41488298.html

According to Hotline.ie, nine out of ten of victims who contacted it were male, mainly young men, though almost a fifth were boys.

iptba · 10-10-2024 10:13PM

[I'm spending less time on Twitter these days and particularly rarely look at what is trending.]

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags/items I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)

(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

I also threw in some other posts as I didn't want to post too frequently.

#womenandag

Women and Agriculture Conference 2023, hosted by Irish Country Living

Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:

The HIHI Femtech Call 2023 is a competition to select the best products or services aimed at women’s healthcare.

International Day of the Girl

International Day of Women and Girls in Science

Women in entertainment awards

European Disability Forum (EU funded)

European Disability Forum (EDF) launched its third manifesto on the rights of women and girls with disabilities,

Disabled Women’s Equal Pay Day

Advertorial in the Irish Examiner:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sponsored/arid-41487230.html
"Women leading the future of farming: FDC Group sponsors Dairy Women Ireland"
“By investing in programmes that promote women's engagement, the company not only uplifts individual farmers but also drives industry-wide change.”
Dairy Women Ireland Conference

Women-only initiative:

"A new programme for female entrepreneurs in the Gaeltacht areas of Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Cork, Meath and Waterford has been launched today in Spiddal

The launch, which took place at Stiúideo Cuan in An Spidéal, heard that the programme aims to promote and fast-track female entrepreneurship

The Cumasú programme is run by Údarás na Gaeltachta, in partnership with the Empower Programme, a free initiative run by the ATU Innovation Hubs and the Rubicon Centre at MTU"
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"On Wednesday, Cara was surprised at The Shine Festival in Waterford, where she was awarded the inaugural Shona Hero Award. Cara was also a keynote speaker at the event celebrating women and girls. The festival is run by The Shona Project, a national organisation created to empower and inspire girls to become confident and assertive."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-was-very-disappointed-with-the-disability-and-carers-aspects-of-the-budget-says-campaigner-cara-darmody-12/a1630282893.html
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Mentor Her Program in AIB

The Irish Times/Sport Ireland Sportswoman of the Year Awards
"An initiative of Mountaineering Ireland, with funding from Sport Ireland’s Women in Sport programme, this year’s event will be held May 17th-19th in Cronin’s Yard – a gateway to the MacGillycuddy’s Reeks in Co Kerry. All 120 places at Women with Altitude (WWA) were filled within 48 hours of booking opening last March, despite capacity having been increased by almost 40 per cent on last year’s event."

Groups for men and women I came across:
European Women's Lobby

Cork City Council's women's caucus

WiMIN (Women in Medicine in Ireland Network

https://hih.ie/engage/femtech-call/https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/spiddal-launch-for-new-programme-for-female-entrepreneurs-in-gaeltacht-areas/

cms88 · 11-10-2024 07:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122706387#Comment_122706387

I'm always amazed by all these ''Women in something'' things. The irony never seems to be lost on it.

iptba · 12-10-2024 03:56PM

Doesn’t come at things from a men’s rights perspective but as I mentioned in a couple of years ago, these databases are likely going to highlight cases where the father wasn’t who the mother claimed it was.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2024/10/12/dna-testing-lo-and-behold-theres-a-half-sibling-or-a-full-sibling-one-or-two-clicks-away

DNA testing: ‘Lo and behold, there’s a half-sibling or a full sibling one or two clicks away’

Consumer testing can throw up surprises, positive and negative. It’s like toothpaste coming out of a tube: ‘You can’t put it back in’

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